Israeli Student Protester's sign reads:
Israeli Student Protester's sign reads:
Without Education, we'll end up like this (pointing to police)
After reading the following news tidbit over at DovBear's, I have to wonder if Israel's finest have been giving pointers to NY's finest -- on how to deal with Jewish students.
NY's Finest: YU student recovering from a hernia operation with prescription drugs for the pain is pulled over and thrown in jail.
Israel's finest: Students demonstrate by blocking traffic over increasing tuition and the Israeli government's refusal to discuss any grievances -- and get their heads bashed in, requiring hospitalization.
DovBear via TTC news tidbit:
Brooklyn student is looking to put the hurt on the city after spending an agony-filled night in a precinct cell just one day after hernia surgery - minus his pain medication.
Simon Weiss, 22, said cops ignored evidence of his surgery when they arrested him on May 9 for possession of two Vicodin pills. Not even a call from his Beth Israel Hospital doctor - a police surgeon - could free him.
Weiss, who attends Yeshiva University, and a friend were pulled over at Coney Island Avenue and Avenue O just after 3 p.m.
When the cops found the pills, Weiss showed them his bandages. His roommate even rushed to the precinct with a copy of the prescription - to no avail.
By midnight, Weiss, in too much agony to sit or lie down, was leaning against a cell wall and moaning for an ambulance. At 4 a.m., cops finally took him to Coney Island Hospital - where doctors treated him with Vicodin.
Weiss is suing for $1 million. (full report here)
Too bad you can't sue the police here in Israel...we're wishing good luck and a speedy recovery to our friend at YU.
Bottom Line: Educate yourselves quickly lest you end up like a NY or Israeli cop.
Real Bottom Line: Avoid the police at all costs, they're above the law.
Wherever I am, my blog turns towards Eretz Yisrael
I find Israeli police to particularly incompetent when it comes to crowd control. Whever I go to watch Beitar Yerushalayim
ReplyDeleteplay I'm amazed by how unsofisticated and sometimes barbaric the plice can be when all they need to do is help people get from one place to another.
Hoo, boy! That guy is up s***'s creek now! Did he actually think that the red sweater on his head would hide his identity?
ReplyDeleteThe Israeli mafia -- um, I mean police -- know where this guy lives, and I expect they'll soon be administering to him some of their Democratic Rule Of Law™...
Jameel-
ReplyDeleteI think it's ironic that you have clear disgust for the Israeli police operating in a manner that is "above the law". There are clear laws that govern the parameters of what the police are and are not allowed to do. Your issue is that they seem to overstep these boundaries, and are not punished for it.
The ironic part comes in the fact that (while I don't know) I can only assume, based on what I've read from you, that you would support the Shabak's questioning of prisoners through methods deemed illegal by the Supreme Court- overstepping their bounds, but this time it's okay, because you agree with their cause.
Please let me know if I've misjudged...
Jerry -
ReplyDeleteThe ironic part comes in the fact that (while I don't know) I can only assume, based on what I've read from you, that you would support the Shabak's questioning of prisoners through methods deemed illegal by the Supreme Court- overstepping their bounds, but this time it's okay, because you agree with their cause.
Actually, I have no clue where this comes from. I have clearly spoken out against Administrative Detention against anyone. And in terms of agreeing with "cause" -- I see a huge difference between dealing with a "ticking bomb" potential terrorist, and the Police's violence against passive civil disobedience. Are you honestly comparing the police brutality against teenagers sitting on a floor in an Amona house, student demonstrators who are blocking traffic -- with violent advocates of terror?
The Israeli police routinely abuse their power in all aspects of life; from corruption to the way they drive illegally. The #1 traffic violators in Israel are the Israeli police themselves.
Jameel: He is referring to this.
ReplyDeleteJerry: I just want to make sure I understand you. Here are two scenarios, both of which actually occurred:
ReplyDelete(1) The police apprehend a Hamas cell member in his car, minutes after he dropped off a suicide bomber on the outskirts of Netanya. The bomber is now on his way, on foot, to his assigned destination. The police now have a few minutes to get the terrorist accomplice to divulge the bomber's assigned target before he arrives and pushes the button. They apply physical pressure to the accomplice to extract the information from him: The target turns out to be an elementary school. The police then radio the information to several patrol cars in the vicinity of the school, who arrive there a few seconds before the bomber does, and stop him. The lives of dozens of children have been saved.
(2) A student from Tel Aviv University participates in a demonstation against hikes in tuition fees. Together with a large group of other students, he stands in the middle of a major Tel Aviv artery, blocking the traffic. A police officer arrives, and without warning, swings his wooden baton with full force against the student's knees, breaking them. The student collapses to the ground in agony, whereupon a second police officer lifts up his leg, and then smashes down his heel onto the student's skull, smashing it inward.
It appears that (while I don't know) I can only assume, based on what I've read from you, that you see these two violations of procedure by the police as equivalent.
Please let me know if I've misjudged...
Yes, you can sue and the Right has succeeded in this but not enough. Federman has done this more than once and one story is here
ReplyDeleteJerry is just upset that he has never been over for a waffle breakfast.
ReplyDeleteOof.
ReplyDeleteAnd people wonder why I avoid the Yasamnikim when possible.
It's quite unfortunate that we can't trust all of the police officers in this country. Still, I'm sure there are some good people in the force. Right?
My neighbor is a policeman. Well, actually he works in the computer room. But he is a cop. And a former neighbor of mine was a cop. Oh wait, that's "was". He left the force because a) he got tired of being forced into being mechalel Shabbat (or at best not having anything hot to drink when he had a Shabbat assignment - the water was boiled on Shabbat in the urn), and b) he got tired of being called a cossack or worse by religious people (he's a big blond guy, but Jewish) even though he wears a kippah. So maybe there AREN'T any good people on the force? Dunno. Scary.
ReplyDeleteThe Difference between American and Israeli Policemen
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