Any Muslim, any Imam, any Muslic cleric who does not hang their head in shame at the release of these butchers -- over a thousand by the end of the exchange deal for kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, is also part of the herd of swine.
How do they not weep that this exchange proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the absolute value of a single Jew is worth more than over thousand of their fellow co-religionists? Islamic apologists point of the invention of the "zero" as one of the great contributions of Islam to the world. Today we see over a thousand zeros -- a thousand murderous animals, filthy swine being released, as Palestinians celebrate.
Collectively, they are even too stupid to even realize that this exchange minimizes their own self value.
There will never be peace with the Palestinian people. Any person who cheers this release will never desire peace, will never want peace, and cannot comprehend the concept of peace.
The butchers released today, their mobs of supporters, and every Islamic leader who does not denounce them, will rot in hell for eternity.
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Jameel,
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness, I have heard and understand the argument(s) against releasing these terrorists. But for all those who ridiculed Noam Schalit for not having the heart to look in the eyes of the living victims of these terrorists, I have never heard anyone have the callousness to say straight out that they would rather Gilad Schalit rot in jail for the rest of his life than make this deal. Because let's call a spade a spade. Those who are against the deal can rationalize and theorize about the horrors that these terrorists will likely carry out, and bemoan the emotional distress of the living victims. But what is the response to one's conscious when one condemns Gilad Schalit to death at the hands of the terrorists?
Benjamin,
ReplyDeleteYour point is well made and I understand very well that it was the Shalit's job to do everything they could to get their son home in any way possible.
However, a government must think of the reprecussions of deals like this and weigh carefully the political, tactical and psychological effects of such a deal. They must also take into account the cost in human lives based on the expected recividism rate as well as the renewed motivation to kidnap more soldiers and citizens (which the Hamas has already articulated).
In the past, these deals have resulted in the terrorists released killing more than a hundred Israelis. Of course, the past deals also resulted in the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.
I am happy Gilad is coming back, but I am disappointed that it is happening in this way. When the next terror attack or kidnapping occurs, or one of these released terrorists strikes again, the Shalit family may know an emotion quite different from the martyred moral high ground they have occupied since their son was kidnapped. (Not that they should; it was not their decision, it was the government's, and the responsibility for security is on the governement's head. However, it would be strange indeed if a family that campaigned (justafiably) so strongly for their son's release would not feel some guilt if the release resulted in once-captured terrorists striking again or another kidnapping.)
I hope this puts the deal in a more objective perspective.
All I can say is .... Hear hear for jameel@muqata
ReplyDeleteJameel,
ReplyDeleteI don't find your arguments compelling.
1. Our simply living in this land is encouragement enough for terrorists to continue to kidnap and murder us. Do you think that if well forget about Gilad Schalit they will say, "oh, I guess there's no point in kidnapping any more."? Of course not. They will keep on kidnapping because they know it hurts us.
2. Of course the released terrorists will continue. But has the incarceration of terrorists ever in the past deterred any other terrorists from murdering us? They are growing stronger and stronger every day. Released terrorists or not.
3. No, this will not encourage more terrorism. The encouragement is already there. This might boost their morals, but that is not significant.
4. The perks of Israeli prisons for these terrorists is already a mockery of Justice and of Israel's legal system. Letting them go free doesn't make it any better, but keeping them in there in the condition they were in is certainly not justice for their crimes.
5. It's a spit in the face to keep them in prison, and not kill them, bichlal. Once they're there and they are released for the cause of freeing their own kidnapped comrade it gives all soldiers hope and motivation that if they are, chas veshalom, in that position ever, everything will be done to bring them home.
6. Their release does not prove that terror pays. The government's weak response to terror already proves that it pays.
Soldiers are not condemned to death. They are put in a situation of sakanas nefashos. Schalit would be condemned to death.
That's not a response to one's conscience, it's a response to one's country.
I have never heard anyone have the callousness to say straight out that they would rather Gilad Schalit rot in jail for the rest of his life than make this deal.
ReplyDeleteI would rather Gilad Shalit rot in jail for the rest of his life than make this deal. You do not save one person's life at the expense of hundreds'.
"Soldiers are not condemned to death. They are put in a situation of sakanas nefashos. Schalit would be condemned to death."
ReplyDeleteSchalit is condemned to captivity, not death. The future victims of this exchange, though, will be condemned to death.
One more thing. What I said is not callousness. On the contrary, it is quite the opposite - concern for potential victims whose names we do not know yet, not just for the one potential victim whose name we do know.
ReplyDeleteShimon Peres says he doesn't forgive them, he's only releasing them. Can someone tell me, who cares what he thinks?!? The jihadists? Yeah, right. We future victims? Uh-huh. All I can figure, is he's addressing the clergy of the Church of Rabin And Peace.
ReplyDeleteReally Beisrunner? You don't see the difference between saving someone's life who is in definite danger vs. preventing crimes that haven't happened yet?
ReplyDeleteThe choice was terrible but it had to be made, but I go with the life that is definitely being destroyed vs. the ones not yet destroyed. One look at him on Egyptian TV, it's clear he wouldn't have lasted much longer.
And I agree with Benjamin. The Israeli country club prison system was hardly justice for the scum being released, and I don't think it makes that much of a difference in the long run to our collective safety. It obviously makes a huge difference to Gilad's safety.
This post was written obviously with a lot of pain. The pain is wholly justified. I still think the right choice was made.
If we can hunt down nazi's from ww2, then there is no reason we can't hunt down these terrorists. Especially the ones being sent to other countries.
ReplyDeleteJameel, I wouldn;t know how to start this, but my first guess is to get the The Simon Wiesenthal Center onto this. They're pro at Nazi hunting.
Welcome Home Shalit!
ReplyDeleteDon't worry about the criminal released. Less people to feed in our prisons and less expenses to Israel. Next time we will not arrest them, but shoot them bmakom.
So enjoy your freedom and be sure we will always do anything to return home our captured soldiers, now and in the future.
Just like in the beginning of Zohan:
ReplyDelete"How is it we lost Phantom? Didn't I capture Phantom 3 months ago?... [kicks chair] What you mean we give back Phantom???"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCnlMST4yho
Really Commenter Abbi? You don't see the difference between one life and hundreds of lives? You're just shutting your eyes and pretending not to see the evidence, and you don't care how many people you hurt in the process, as long you don't know their names and haven't seen them on TV.
ReplyDelete"Next time we will not arrest them, but shoot them bmakom."
ReplyDeleteIf only that were the case, then this exchange might be justified.
Beisrunner: I dont think your comment to Abbi is fair.
ReplyDeleteJameel: Maybe I should have written
ReplyDelete"you don't care ENOUGH how many people you hurt in the process"
rather than
"you don't care how many people you hurt in the process"
But my point stands.
Beisrunner, your point would stand if the 1027 prisoners we freed were the only terrorists on earth aiming their bombs and guns at us. Since they aren't, your point is meaningless.
ReplyDeleteAs for not caring, not knowing the names of terror victims- since you have no clue who I am or what my background is, I have no idea how you can make such an idiotic supposition.
I came to Israel to live in J-m in June of 2000, just in time for the Har Habyit riots. The Sbarro bombing happened right around the corner from where I was having lunch five days before my wedding- the explosion shook our table.
I lost two close friends in the bombing at Hebrew U- Ben Blutstein and Marla Bennett. I brought Shabbat meals to a third victim during her long recuperation at Hadassah.
I lived parallel to Rechov Herzog for 6 years and knew exactly when a terrorist attack happened by the number of sirens racing from and to Hadassah Ein Karem and Shaarei Tzedek.
The year of the Park Hotel bombing, I was also at a hotel with my entire extended family for Pesach- in Haifa. The bomber could have just as easily bombed our hotel instead of the Park.
I was at the mikveh just as Naava Apfelbaum was leaving (the night before her wedding) to meet her father and her death at Cafe Hillel.
I don't know the names of the terror victims? I don't need a TV to know the exact price of terror. I knew a good number of the victims personally and I know the precise cost of terror because I lived through nearly every terror attack during those awful years of the intifada.
I'm still glad Gilad is home and I don't regret the exchange for a second.
Jameel, well said. Keep the passion. It is becoming harder to find those who express the truth with clarity and force, and I am always blessded when I run across it.
ReplyDeleteAbbi: Perhaps you should have tried talking to one of the terror victims' family members more recently. You might have heard thoughts such as "We feel as though our daughter has been murdered all over again" (to quote one) regarding this deal. There are thousands of families like that. The Shalits are not the only family in Israel affected by the exchange, just the only family whose story is broadcasted on TV.
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