tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post113831239118400377..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Hamas Hamas Hamas...big deal.Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138536599025884632006-01-29T14:09:00.000+02:002006-01-29T14:09:00.000+02:00pp: Huh? Clue? Where? Didn't you read my last post...pp: Huh? Clue? Where? Didn't you read my last post? <BR/><BR/>http://joesettler.blogspot.com/2006/01/outing-joesettler.html<BR/><BR/>It doesn't have to gel. You have your group of Arab friends and associates, and we have ours (and we actually do). <BR/><BR/>The world is still a wide place with lots of diversity - some believe in drive-bys, some swear by car bombs, and others will accept nothing less than a full suicide, 70 virgins and all :) . <BR/><BR/>But still, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the cubbyhole next to yours actually did vote Hamas.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138528858652565942006-01-29T12:00:00.000+02:002006-01-29T12:00:00.000+02:00"Josesettler"? Is this a clue to his identity?!Sor..."Josesettler"? Is this a clue to his identity?!<BR/><BR/>Sorry that my actual experiences don't gel with your political commentating, fellas. I'm not trying to score points, just telling it like it is.tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138525585928806662006-01-29T11:06:00.000+02:002006-01-29T11:06:00.000+02:00pp: Hamas has said today that Sharia will be the b...pp: <BR/>Hamas has said today that Sharia will be the basis for their laws and Fatah said they will renew attacks on Israel.<BR/><BR/>No where did Hamas hide their plans. And, even the majority of East Jerusalem voters also voted Hamas (probably even people in your own office, even if they won't admit it).<BR/><BR/>For the <I>minority</I> that aren't happy with the religious turn, it's a good thing that the Rafiach border is as open for them to leave as it is to import long-range weapons.<BR/><BR/>http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/675804.htmlJoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138516841788078392006-01-29T08:40:00.000+02:002006-01-29T08:40:00.000+02:00Best post I have read on this topic, Jameel. It do...Best post I have read on this topic, Jameel. It doesn't really matter why Hamas was elected. They were, and that may not be a bad thing for Israel - unless they turn into a Fatah, and their intentions are obscured, which I think they are too zealous to let happen...MC Aryehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15391548803569665725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138509427005088342006-01-29T06:37:00.000+02:002006-01-29T06:37:00.000+02:00Parrot: Isn't JoseSettler just echoing the sentime...Parrot: Isn't JoseSettler just echoing the sentiment of the Palestinian voter? <BR/><BR/>After all - if Hamas received a majority from Palestinian voters, then I would have thought the majority of Palestinian voters would be happy with their vote...<BR/><BR/>For years, there have been polls that say 80-90% of the Palestinian population support suicide bombings against Jewish civilian targets. Could it be that you just mix with the 10-15% which are thankfull not as "fill in whatever blank you wish here" as the others?Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138478552808270152006-01-28T22:02:00.000+02:002006-01-28T22:02:00.000+02:00Joe Settler- it isn't about excuses. And what you ...Joe Settler- it isn't about excuses. And what you say about Palestinians becoming more religious is simply wrong. Dafka their society has become a great deal more westernized and secular than your average Arab country, but the latent cultural values still exist: One of the theories on the Palestinian street now is that many were secretly concerned about secularization (especially in view of permissive behaviour/dress of women, as publicised in their campaigns) and so voted for Hamas. What we have here is not an outright battle cry, rather a society trying to find its feet. And whatever you prefer to believe, know that many of that society are not waving green flags, but extremely unhappy about this result.tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138373878463053912006-01-27T16:57:00.000+02:002006-01-27T16:57:00.000+02:00I don't fully understand Fatah enough to comment o...I don't fully understand Fatah enough to comment on their seeming duplicity, but I do think that in general it's better for a people to be ruled by the people of their choice. If the Palestinian Arabs prefer Hamas, that's entirely their prerogative. I just hope that Hamas will act more responsibly as the seat of power than they did as the opposition.Lab Rabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16548235776787443321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138371022098370942006-01-27T16:10:00.000+02:002006-01-27T16:10:00.000+02:00Shalom - While there is merit in the idea that HAM...Shalom - <BR/><BR/>While there is merit in the idea that HAMAS is at least overt in their hatred of Jews, ergo they can be more easily dealt with (and might even bring international condemnation on themselves for hatred, well, nah), I think that the truly crippling problem that faces us is our willingness to make any distinction at all between the PLOArab parties.<BR/><BR/>For the purposes of Israel's polity, what difference is there in which PLOArab is in control? The only thing that unites this cheap, ugly, facsimile of an Arab "nation" is their desire to see Israel destroyed. Of what consequence are the fine nuances in their messages, or their marketing plans?<BR/><BR/>Security for Eretz Yisrael requires a government that refuses to any longer be distracted by this sort of political gamesmanship; a government that will never stoop to "talking" with proud mass murderers.<BR/><BR/>For Israelis, Jews, and the world at large, there is no functional difference between one group of murderers and another. I am less concerned with who the PLOArabs wish to have at their van than I am with getting the GOI to defend its people from these appalling beasts.<BR/><BR/>Eretz Yisrael L'Am Yisrael!<BR/>6POAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138355088664946832006-01-27T11:44:00.000+02:002006-01-27T11:44:00.000+02:00Jameel: Check out my post on cutting out the middl...Jameel: Check out my post on cutting out the middleman: http://joesettler.blogspot.com/2006/01/cutting-out-middle-man.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>pp: Everyone is looking for excuses why Hamas won in a landslide victory. <BR/><BR/>Almost no one is willing to say that maybe, just maybe, the destruction of Israel and killing of Jews is what the Palestinians want, and this landslide victory is a true indication of their actual goals and intentions.<BR/><BR/>So instead everyone (on the other side of the political spectrum at least) is try to explain it away as anything but Hamas's overtly stated goals and actions.<BR/><BR/>While Ramallah might still be a mostly secular city, most of the other Palestinian cities have become more and more religious over the years as they suffered under Fatah oppression and corruption. <BR/><BR/>Since the majority voted for Hamas, I think most (or at least the majority) on the street are celebrating.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138345334813848682006-01-27T09:02:00.000+02:002006-01-27T09:02:00.000+02:00I agree that Hamas might be a more realistic "part...I agree that Hamas might be a more realistic "partner" for Israel- at least *we* know where weare with them.<BR/><BR/>But what about the Palestinians on the street who don't support them, aren't religious, and don't want the destruction of Israel? All the ones who woke up on Thursday bewildered and depressed about this landslide? Don't let the media images fool you- most Palestinians are not celebrating. They are saying that Hamas won this vote by manipulation and emotional blackmail. Who knows whether this will be good for anyone.tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138334053435781672006-01-27T05:54:00.000+02:002006-01-27T05:54:00.000+02:00I agree.It should be black and white who they are....I agree.It should be black and white who they are.But sadly many Israelis will fool themselves.'Haaretz' is already saying they are just resisting us-they really dont want to destroy us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138330710142771922006-01-27T04:58:00.000+02:002006-01-27T04:58:00.000+02:00Well finally the rest of the world will know what ...Well finally the rest of the world will know what those idiots really want. After all, they just are out front with it and that makes it easier for us to deal with.<BR/><BR/>By the way, sort of on subject. I was watching CNN briefly this afternoon during a brief break from my tax conference. Lou Dobbs was interviewing some Palestinian woman who was complaining about how Israel and the US are responsible for Hamas being in control. Lou pushed her very lightly. I laughed at the entire thing and then shut off the TV and headed back to 'work' for the evening part of the entertainment.Little Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953913685682155134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138317140215093732006-01-27T01:12:00.000+02:002006-01-27T01:12:00.000+02:00Excellent post. Puts me in a much better mood tha...Excellent post. <BR/><BR/>Puts me in a much better mood than reading the comments by readers of the Algemeen Dagblad, and other Dutch Newspapers. <BR/><BR/>It was the usual "sociaal bewogen" Dutch pro P and anti S blather.<BR/><BR/>Often, I am glad I moved back to the US.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138314679510907042006-01-27T00:31:00.000+02:002006-01-27T00:31:00.000+02:00Elie: I would SO much rather be asleep now...I usu...Elie: I would SO much rather be asleep now...I usually don't like blogging on Thursday night/Friday morning...(other nights aren't a problem ;-)<BR/><BR/>However, having to stay up is giving me inspiration for my blog sonnet I started to write. Maybe I'll finish before the soup is cool.<BR/><BR/>ZR: You said it brother: <I>Hamas is the best kind of enemy to have... they say that they hate you to everyone and don't try to hide it. </I><BR/><BR/>Thats wraps it up perfectly.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1138314240547494772006-01-27T00:24:00.000+02:002006-01-27T00:24:00.000+02:00Great post. EoZ had another excellent one along th...Great post. EoZ had another excellent one along the same lines, which I linked to today.<BR/><BR/>What I do is put a towel under the soup pot in the fridge Thursday night, sp I don't have to stay up for hours until it fully cools. Unless of course that's just your excuse to blog late into the night! ;-)Eliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15979263918394127210noreply@blogger.com