tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post114349890472880333..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: The Muqata's EndorsementJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143657029700326002006-03-29T20:30:00.000+02:002006-03-29T20:30:00.000+02:00Muqata: now, after everything has been said and do...Muqata: now, after everything has been said and done and we've cast our votes(and watched the 11/12 pm news), I have no regrets about voting for the N.U./N.R.P. My wife voted for the Likud. I feel very depressed about the whole thing on the whole and even worse on Bibi's behalf. <BR/><BR/>Halikud, halikud, halikud...just fleeting memories of singing in Mesadat Ze'ev, welcoming the man formerly known as Sharon.Eitan Ha'ahzarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17112407136416885944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143574742418995792006-03-28T21:39:00.000+02:002006-03-28T21:39:00.000+02:00why wouldnt it?why wouldnt it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143573300682734182006-03-28T21:15:00.000+02:002006-03-28T21:15:00.000+02:00kahaneloyalist: Its unclear if the halacha you are...kahaneloyalist: Its unclear if the halacha you are referring to has any bearing whatsoever on Medinat Yisrael, a secular state in Eretz Yisrael.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143559945690763832006-03-28T17:32:00.000+02:002006-03-28T17:32:00.000+02:00I have to say I did the sameI have to say I did the sameblukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143548923107231612006-03-28T14:28:00.000+02:002006-03-28T14:28:00.000+02:00jameel, I understand your reasoning, though I disa...jameel, I understand your reasoning, though I disagree with it. My point was there is a Halacha brought down in Rambam Hilchos Melachim that it is issur to do anything that will bring to power a governmnet which doesnt follow the Torah and I do not believe that Bibi follows the Torah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143548550089811652006-03-28T14:22:00.000+02:002006-03-28T14:22:00.000+02:00Jameel,I couldn't agree with you more about Degel ...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree with you more about Degel - check out my recent post on the election.Jak Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396221991348207226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143539114509735032006-03-28T11:45:00.000+02:002006-03-28T11:45:00.000+02:00Good post and I agree with you totally. I am also ...Good post and I agree with you totally. I am also afraid for my yishuv - but at the same time I think that Hashem has a reason for putting us in this position. Perhaps we really have to focus more on the education of the chiloni world, and not leave them to the mercy of the Meretz mindset. Our problems should also be a prod to the American Jews who think about coming to Israel but never do it. We need them here already!westbankmamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07175250198028829889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143538917950060962006-03-28T11:41:00.000+02:002006-03-28T11:41:00.000+02:00Why is it Quadima but not Liqud? While I agree I w...Why is it Quadima but not Liqud? <BR/>While I agree I would like to have a Likud-run government, they are too flaky for me and I would be worried that after a week in office they would slowly start leaning towards quadima. So my vote for Ichud Leumi (proudly cast this morning!) is a vote for a Likud government that is forced to stay on the right or they lose their coalition.stillruleallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08514440202758418728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143538264246940412006-03-28T11:31:00.000+02:002006-03-28T11:31:00.000+02:00AbuTorZoo; I agree it could be refreshing to have ...AbuTorZoo; I agree it could be refreshing to have Marzel in the Knesset.<BR/><BR/>After shul this morning, I did a quick roundup of who my friends are voting for:<BR/><BR/>1/3 Likud (same reasons I wrote in my posting)<BR/>1/3 NU/NRP (they were always mafdal voters, or NU voters)<BR/>1/3 Marzel. <BR/><BR/>No one actively tried to get anyone to change their mind, since we're all on the same side.<BR/><BR/>Jak: My big problem with Gimmel, is MK Litzman, who is already aligning himself with Quadima. Also, if the Gedolim would let people go to the army, of even the Nachal Chareidi, then they could get good jobs and education after the army, and wouldn't be desperate for the monthly social security stipends which has Gimmel in a noose.<BR/><BR/>Elliot: Your bottom line is totally correct.<BR/><BR/>Joe: I feel like its a cross today between Tisha B'Av and Yom Kippur. Not a happy day at all.<BR/><BR/>KahanaLoyalist: I hope you guys will still talk to me after seeing my endorsement. Ever heard of <I>Mesirut Nefesh</I> -- its sacrificing personal idealogy for the sake of the greater good of Am Yisrael...and its not easy.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143537646197700592006-03-28T11:20:00.000+02:002006-03-28T11:20:00.000+02:00If only the Likud would do as you say....Personall...If only the Likud would do as you say....<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think that it is imperative that Marzel pass the minimum threshold to get into the Knesset, otherwise all of the votes for him are going to waste. A lot of people that I know are voting for him - and these people are 'mainstream' - not Chabad Messianists or Kach party members.<BR/><BR/>My feeling is that people are simply fed up with what is going on in this country, and it is time for a change. Voting for the parties currently in the Knesset will not bring that change, but maybe getting someone else in (who I may not agree with totally) will inject some new life into the current Knesset parties as well, and cause a rightward shift among those parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143536523388020162006-03-28T11:02:00.000+02:002006-03-28T11:02:00.000+02:00Once again we're choosing the best of the worst op...Once again we're choosing the best of the worst options, my mind is split four ways, but you put forward a very convincing argument.ifyouwillit...https://www.blogger.com/profile/12399924134798730080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143530560537636962006-03-28T09:22:00.000+02:002006-03-28T09:22:00.000+02:00I can't say I'm surprised.And after similar cogita...I can't say I'm surprised.<BR/><BR/>And after similar cogitation, I'll be voting for the party of the gentleman you called the "Bad Man with The Moustache." Will be interesting to see who ends up in the coalition.<BR/><BR/>Do something fun after you've voted, Jameel!tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143530332425843392006-03-28T09:18:00.001+02:002006-03-28T09:18:00.001+02:00Jameel,I respect your position. If the (*my*) gedo...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>I respect your position. If the (*my*) gedolim hadn't said to vote Degel, I would probably vote for the Likud. Regardless of what happens today, Bibi has a long career ahead of him.Jak Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396221991348207226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143530327289246322006-03-28T09:18:00.000+02:002006-03-28T09:18:00.000+02:00Jameel,Interesting to see how closely we agree on ...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>Interesting to see how closely we agree on this.<BR/><BR/>If only there were better alternatives!Jason H. Elbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910202562904517348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143528951833011972006-03-28T08:55:00.000+02:002006-03-28T08:55:00.000+02:00Unfortunately, your analysis as well as mine indic...Unfortunately, your analysis as well as mine indicates the poor situation we are in. <BR/><BR/>There is no party that properly represents us voters, there is no party we feel we can trust to fulfill our wishes (and their promises or platform). There is no party that whose vote is not without serious risk of one backlash or another.<BR/><BR/>In short, despite the plethora of choices, we are left with no one to vote for.<BR/><BR/>Certainly 'Just Not Qadima' should be our model for voting this election, but who says that the party we vote in won't then join Qadima (nearly all of them have openly published their list prices for joining).<BR/><BR/><BR/>I've been surprised as to how many people have told me they are voting Marzel/Hazit (which is what I am voting for). Is it a risk? Yes. But I don't see at a bigger risk than voting for any other party that will at some point join Qadima if Qadima get enough seats.<BR/><BR/><BR/>This election is scary beyond belief. My house is on the line. Your house in on the line. Increased terrorism is on the line. Missiles hitting large cities. More capitulations. An ineffective wall/fence. The potential loss of Hevron, the Tomb of the Patriarchs, and even the Temple Mount.<BR/><BR/>I also feel that everything is on the line. It's times like these that we have to trust in Hashem, and even if things don't turn out the way we think is best right now, we need to remember that in the long term it will.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143524522873598632006-03-28T07:42:00.000+02:002006-03-28T07:42:00.000+02:00I wonder if Kahaneloyalist even lives here in Isra...I wonder if Kahaneloyalist even lives here in Israel. In any case, while I will not be voting your way, I certainly respect your choice. We have to do everything possible to stop Olmert from staying in power. That's the bottom line.The Cahans in Israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06719037939862548244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143521941032635492006-03-28T06:59:00.000+02:002006-03-28T06:59:00.000+02:00Jameel, pephaps it is too late to change your mind...Jameel, pephaps it is too late to change your mind but I wish to remind you that the Rambam expressly forbids doing anything to bring to power a government that doesn't follow the Torah and while Likud may be better than Kadima, they do not follow the Torah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143507519822697402006-03-28T02:58:00.000+02:002006-03-28T02:58:00.000+02:00Thanks for painting the picture Jameel. At least n...Thanks for painting the picture Jameel. At least now I have some idea of what is happening. I pray that all will turn out well for you, Israel, and all Jews around the world.MUST Gum Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11275184914370002347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1143505415244107802006-03-28T02:23:00.000+02:002006-03-28T02:23:00.000+02:00we want moshiach now!hatzlacha rabba jameel. and t...we want moshiach now!<BR/><BR/>hatzlacha rabba jameel. and the rest of israel.the sabrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134516234799909775noreply@blogger.com