tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post116281613346237896..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Caveat Emptor - Justice for Jameel, and some Waffles.Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1163114447571998472006-11-10T01:20:00.000+02:002006-11-10T01:20:00.000+02:00I'm not impressed yet. Get back to me when the th...I'm not impressed yet. Get back to me when the thing's actually reassembled and you've proved that it still works. I know how you guys operate. You get no credit until the maple syrup (real maple, thank you very much) hits the waffle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162998274065257542006-11-08T17:04:00.000+02:002006-11-08T17:04:00.000+02:00Glad to hear about ElAl improving their service. S...Glad to hear about ElAl improving their service. So is this a new National trend?<BR/><BR/>When I was 17 (many years ago), I flew by myself from Israel to the States. The flight was late and I missed my connecting flight to Florida. I just didn't know what to do. It was late at night, I barely had any money, and the ElAl management were absolutely bastards about the whole thing. No hotel, no apology, no help in what I was supposed to do next, any info on my luggage getting to my destination, how I was supposed to get a new flight, etc. Nada. <BR/><BR/>It was the evening of the 4th of July, so almost almost everything in the terminals were closed. I ended up sleeping on a cold plastic seat, practically with noone else around except for the Puerto Rican janitor, ex drug addict who had found Jesus and wanted to tell me ALL about it.<BR/><BR/>AARRRGGG!... Is the Window to Our Soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04510255608269038123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162960304131910762006-11-08T06:31:00.000+02:002006-11-08T06:31:00.000+02:00Nutty stuff. There is no need to toivel if there i...Nutty stuff. There is no need to toivel if there is any, even minor, financial loss. But; I'd take the machine apart just for kicks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162912290523443682006-11-07T17:11:00.000+02:002006-11-07T17:11:00.000+02:00The way I learned it from my rabbanim in the State...The way I learned it from my rabbanim in the States, you don't really have to take the entire appliance apart, just (as you mentioned in your post)unscrew a screw or two; it is symbolic of rebuilding the item: a <I>shinui</I> before using it for the first time; we know that in reality someone else, possibly a goy, built it--but we do something to it in order to symbolically show that it was put together by a Jew. The same thing with selling hametz for Pesach (we know it's really ours and still in our pantry; only technically does it belong to a goy, who wouldn't care a fig if we took something out of <I>his</I> hametz!)Doing these things makes us more aware of the Torah and it's laws. Of course, that BLOG/HALACHIC DISCLAIMER applies...Lady-Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04992305067771885711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162889278393384592006-11-07T10:47:00.000+02:002006-11-07T10:47:00.000+02:00aliyah06: We haven't tried making waffles yet! I'l...aliyah06: We haven't tried making waffles yet! I'll let you know how they taste...(And yet more info for another blog posting :)<BR/><BR/>The Observer: It's a rather quality electrical item with lots of electronics on the inside, so I wouldn't want to risk dunking it.<BR/><BR/>DTC: Thanks for the public breakfast invite (seems like you started a roll with EVERYONE deciding to announce a public breakfast...) Let's first wait and see how the waffles turn out (this could be an easy "out" -- if I say they didn't taste good ;-)<BR/><BR/>anon1: What if the plug isn't grounded?<BR/><BR/>mevaseretzion: my pleasure! Always great to mix halcaha with slice of life posts...(and if it's entertaining then it's a winner)<BR/><BR/>Holy Hyrax: Dude -- how often do you dunk $100 appliances? And yes, option 4 worked the best for blogging...(though I could have taken pictures of the mikveh keilim but don't think that would have been as interesting)<BR/><BR/>Jack: Complicated - but spiritually satisfying (and I like opening up things). I used to open phones as a kid all the time to convert them from pulse to tone dial. I'll blog about that sometime...<BR/><BR/>YMEDAD: Hah...I remember that...but the ban was on Belgian chocolate, not their waffles!<BR/><BR/><BR/>lkdwdguy: Thanks for the halachik disclaimer! (You hear that people - check with your OWN rav!)<BR/><BR/>Chana: HELLO? You are SOOOO American! Waffles aren't only FROZEN and then "made" in a toaster oven! This waffle maker lets you pour the batter into the waffle mold (which is a part of the waffle maker) and it bakes them! I don't even think you can get frozen/ready-made waffles in Israel. (You can add this to your list of reasons to come to Israel -- so you can eat real waffles :)<BR/><BR/>Shmilda: It's BoneCrsuher's counter-top! (Though our's is rather clean too) Hmm - I should figure out how to make that into a posting as well.<BR/><BR/>Sarah: Ask your local Rav! (But it's important to always unplug any electrical appliance before dunking it in the mikva...) Hmm - that would make an interesting post -- about the person who forgot to unplug the hairdryer she dunked in the mikva, to blowdry the sheitel which was from Indian hair...<BR/><BR/>Ari K: Good idea - sort of an "Ask Jameel" consumer advice column? Maybe I could pay "Ask Shifra" for a franchise license...<BR/><BR/>Kasamba: Two flights ago, I plugged in my laptop on the plane to an outlet near the door (when I flew economy). Maybe I could bring the waffle maker and make waffles on baord for everyone? That would definitely be a first, and would try the limits of ELAL's patience ;-)<BR/><BR/>Jack: OK...you'll be here this Friday at 9:00 AM?<BR/><BR/>SMB: Well - hopefully they'll taste as good as we hope they will!<BR/><BR/>Queenie's Mom: My pleasure!<BR/><BR/>Scraps: Such praise...and from the Scraps Patchwork blogger...I'm not worthy!Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162876614046474952006-11-07T07:16:00.000+02:002006-11-07T07:16:00.000+02:00You make me laugh, Jameel.You make me laugh, Jameel.Scrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15911315552965685448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162874133329282612006-11-07T06:35:00.000+02:002006-11-07T06:35:00.000+02:00Thanks for a great laugh at the end of a very tryi...Thanks for a great laugh at the end of a very trying day.<BR/><BR/>B'teavon!queeniesmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01019952170168937114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162873886377027272006-11-07T06:31:00.000+02:002006-11-07T06:31:00.000+02:00umm wafflesumm wafflessmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00425290796472256844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162872000866162112006-11-07T06:00:00.000+02:002006-11-07T06:00:00.000+02:00That is it, breakfast is at Jameel's house. Come o...That is it, breakfast is at Jameel's house. Come one come all and enjoy some fabulous company along with a couple of waffles.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162857995393152262006-11-07T02:06:00.000+02:002006-11-07T02:06:00.000+02:00HA!!!!!Jam, you are a roll, which by the way makes...HA!!!!!<BR/>Jam, you are a roll, which by the way makes yummy sandwiches in your wafflemaker- to take on board your elal flight!kasambahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851529433849846912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162857563715972732006-11-07T01:59:00.000+02:002006-11-07T01:59:00.000+02:00thanks for remninding that i need to follow up wit...thanks for remninding that i need to follow up with eldan on a charge i am trying fight. of course the customer service rep did not email as she promised she would.<BR/><BR/>how about starting a service. if you get me back my 50 shekel i'll give you twenty percent.<BR/><BR/>(there actually was a website that fought your parking tickets for you. if you won they charged you 50% of the fine)Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162857011014831842006-11-07T01:50:00.000+02:002006-11-07T01:50:00.000+02:00From what I recall from my studies in the Rabbanut...From what I recall from my studies in the Rabbanut semicha program, most do not rely on the 'kavua' heter...but I will check my notes...:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162854520644243422006-11-07T01:08:00.000+02:002006-11-07T01:08:00.000+02:00lol... makes for a good story but the waffles bett...lol... makes for a good story but the waffles better be worth all the hassle.<BR/><BR/>mmmm.... waffles....<BR/><BR/>(i must let dad know it's not necessary to dunk elecrical items in the mikva.)Sarah Likes Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15055831838215589183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162853354615599312006-11-07T00:49:00.000+02:002006-11-07T00:49:00.000+02:00Mighty clean and neat counter top - I'm truly impr...Mighty clean and neat counter top - I'm truly impressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162852268126137822006-11-07T00:31:00.000+02:002006-11-07T00:31:00.000+02:00This is hilarious, and I echo Jack, FAR too compli...This is hilarious, and I echo Jack, FAR too complicated for a waffle-maker. You can make waffles in a toaster oven, for goodness sake. ;)Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17655144434904957767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162851931488438222006-11-07T00:25:00.000+02:002006-11-07T00:25:00.000+02:00IIRC, R. Moshe's tshuva goes something like this:T...IIRC, R. Moshe's tshuva goes something like this:<BR/><BR/>There are two catagories of utensils <BR/>that require tevilah,<BR/><BR/>A. Anything used in the preperation of food<BR/><BR/>B. Any kli seuda<BR/><BR/>R. Moshe holds that since the bread is completly edible before it enters the toaster and the toaster only serves to improve the bread,it is not classified as a utensil that is used in the preparation of food.<BR/><BR/>Your waffle maker would not be eligible for that same heter.<BR/><BR/>I have not seen this tshuva in awhile so please apply the regular blog/halacha disclaimer* to this entire comment.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>* In case you were wondering, here is the complete text of the Blog/Halacha Disclaimer.<BR/><BR/>ANY AND ALL HALACHIK MATERIAL WHICH IS FOUND ON ANY BLOG SHOULD NEVER, EVER BE RELIED UPON WITHOUT CONSULTING A CERTIFIED COMPETENT RABBI.LkwdGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14676035514801548695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162845357704255232006-11-06T22:35:00.000+02:002006-11-06T22:35:00.000+02:00Belgium?And only three years ago this happened:-th...Belgium?<BR/><BR/>And only three years ago this happened:-<BR/><BR/>the Simon Wiesenthal Center spotted calls for a boycott of Israeli fruit on the Belgian wing of Oxfam's Web site and freaked. A graphic of a ripe ruby-red dripping a lone droplet of blood hung over the words, "Israeli fruit tastes bitter. Say no to the occupation of Palestine. Don't buy fruit and vegetables from Israel." <BR/><BR/>http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:lI2qz6anWy7AyM:http://www.israel-wat.com/oxfam1.jpgYMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162840304489015382006-11-06T21:11:00.000+02:002006-11-06T21:11:00.000+02:00This sounds far too complicated.This sounds far too complicated.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162839872076158472006-11-06T21:04:00.000+02:002006-11-06T21:04:00.000+02:00Wuss, you should have dunked the whole thing. I to...Wuss, you should have dunked the whole thing. I toveled my George Foreman machine and it worked fine.<BR/><BR/>And what a coinsedence that you just happen to take some photos of the wafflemaker, inorder to blog about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162839727391398862006-11-06T21:02:00.000+02:002006-11-06T21:02:00.000+02:00Excellent post touching on so many issues! :)I wil...Excellent post touching on so many issues! :)<BR/><BR/>I will see if I have anything to add to the halachik segment...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162836421906535622006-11-06T20:07:00.000+02:002006-11-06T20:07:00.000+02:00Not paskening but there are poskim who maintain th...Not paskening but there are poskim who maintain that an electrical appliance that is plugged into a socket is treated as mechubar le-karka and does not need tevilah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162833967275387302006-11-06T19:26:00.000+02:002006-11-06T19:26:00.000+02:00I guess that we'll wait and see about the results ...I guess that we'll wait and see about the results of Friday's test before officially inviting everyone to the Muqata for breakfast.<BR/><BR/>VIVA Jameel! (ok, does anyone know how to translate that to Flemish?)DTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13452671110209029524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162833796249811582006-11-06T19:23:00.000+02:002006-11-06T19:23:00.000+02:00I've done #1 many times, all without harm to the a...I've done #1 many times, all without harm to the appliance. Mind you, these are always cheap appliances, so don't ask me what happens to anything with complex electronics. (But tell me, you with the fancy dancy toaster, what is it that you need a $100 toaster to do, that a $10 one won't satisfy you?)<BR/><BR/>I tried #4 once with a travel kettle. Now it leaks. And apparently there are some Rabbanim that hold that this isn't an option anyway.The Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01228306241533248133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1162831301722509092006-11-06T18:41:00.000+02:002006-11-06T18:41:00.000+02:00I had no idea #4 was an option....made my day! Tha...I had no idea #4 was an option....made my day! Thanks! (How are the waffles BTW?)aliyah06https://www.blogger.com/profile/12570980519532246704noreply@blogger.com