tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post116765080424618731..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Cruel and Heartless.Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-25230674761692352052007-11-03T19:58:00.000+02:002007-11-03T19:58:00.000+02:00Thanks to author.Thanks to author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-15867485606622615142007-11-03T19:07:00.000+02:002007-11-03T19:07:00.000+02:00Magnific!Magnific!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56635168337719223152007-11-03T17:00:00.000+02:002007-11-03T17:00:00.000+02:00Nice Article.Nice Article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1024587897220085662007-11-03T12:25:00.000+02:002007-11-03T12:25:00.000+02:00actually, that's brilliant. Thank you. I'm going t...actually, that's brilliant. Thank you. I'm going to pass that on to a couple of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81661522301338241752007-11-02T22:49:00.000+02:002007-11-02T22:49:00.000+02:00Thanks to author.Thanks to author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-80546648518928868052007-11-02T21:44:00.000+02:002007-11-02T21:44:00.000+02:00Good job!Good job!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-78240520613672523942007-11-02T20:56:00.000+02:002007-11-02T20:56:00.000+02:00Hello all!Hello all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-49675427746430266032007-11-02T20:07:00.000+02:002007-11-02T20:07:00.000+02:00Please write anything else!Please write anything else!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-68201182226073206252007-11-02T19:11:00.000+02:002007-11-02T19:11:00.000+02:00486CmI Good job!486CmI Good job!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-12224582897414493692007-11-02T15:51:00.000+02:002007-11-02T15:51:00.000+02:009A406i Very good blog! Thanks!9A406i Very good blog! Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1168160096781387902007-01-07T10:54:00.000+02:002007-01-07T10:54:00.000+02:00Oh, this sounds familiar... well, I guess when the...Oh, this sounds familiar... well, I guess when the Moshiach fails to appear in your respective generations, at least you can comfort yourselves with the convenient scapegoat to blame the continued absence upon Orthomom and all the rest of the "not-Jews" like myself who ruined it for all you alleged righteous people. Enjoy the view from the moral high ground.tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167966332720411082007-01-05T05:05:00.000+02:002007-01-05T05:05:00.000+02:00sultan knish,what about the thousands and thousand...sultan knish,<BR/>what about the thousands and thousands and thousands of jews who are sitting in exile now-an exile which leaves our people ill, childless, depressed, dying, homeless, abused and more-as a result of our own carelessness? our own sinat chinam?<BR/>how can you speak to ANYONE here?<BR/>we are all equally guilty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167947177702683252007-01-04T23:46:00.000+02:002007-01-04T23:46:00.000+02:00Orthomom - I'm not angry. I'm quite calm as a matt...Orthomom - I'm not angry. I'm quite calm as a matter of fact. It's the people furiously attacking me who are angry. I've spoken the truth and you have nothing to answer me with. That's fine. I wasn't expecting anything else.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Jameel - I'm glad you got 500 visitors in traffic from Orthomom. Had I known you were getting traffic from her and willing to fly into such a fury over any slight to her, I wouldn't have bothered. And if you're "sickened" and suffering from "too much personal agmat nefesh" over my comments then my eyes can't roll hard and high enough at that.<BR/><BR/>I will repeat it again though. Someone who supported the expulsion of thousands of Jews from their home is not a Shomer Torah Jew. There's no credible argument for saying they are. Good luck with your path of dialogue and bending over backward to appease the Pro-Disengagement crowd at the expense of everything else. <BR/><BR/>Don't be too disappointed when Olmert or whoever replaces him announces the next phase of withdrawals, all those same people you dialogued with smile and turn around and support it anyway. But at least you'll have the moral superiority of knowing you weren't one of those ranting and raving extremists who said mean things to people. No, you dialogued your heart out with them.<BR/><BR/>This was only my second visit to your blog. Now it's my last. L'hitDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167945754741338392007-01-04T23:22:00.000+02:002007-01-04T23:22:00.000+02:00Mr Knish:I have to admit, I was rather sickened by...Mr Knish:<BR/><BR/>I have to admit, I was rather sickened by your latest comment as well.<BR/><BR/>How exactly do you see your invective changing anyone's mind?<BR/><BR/>Do you think that spitting in someone's face and comparing them to Noam Chomsky will really get them to seriously reconsider their position?<BR/><BR/>You know why I started blogging? Because it BOTHERED me to see positions that were pro-Disengagement.<BR/><BR/>And there are two ways to go about changing them; you can rage and rant, and it will get you nowhere.<BR/><BR/>Or, you can realize that people have their own viewpoints based on many different parameters, and if you discuss the issues with them, you'll have a chance to influence them.<BR/><BR/>I can promise you, you will get nowhere by name-calling, insulting people, and challenging their frumkeit.<BR/><BR/>And your indignation about the Hitnatkut? How noble of you.<BR/><BR/>Don't mussar me about the hitnatkut.<BR/><BR/>I was there. Big time. <BR/><BR/>If I can dialogue with people -- then you have no right to come to my blog and insult these people, especially when they did exactly what you claimed they wouldn't. (And by the way, I checked my site meter; I got over 500 visitors from Orthomom's "one line" link)<BR/><BR/>If you don't feel like apologizing, then please don't come back here.<BR/><BR/>You've caused me too much personal agmat nefesh from your comments already.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167944393720989822007-01-04T22:59:00.000+02:002007-01-04T22:59:00.000+02:00Wow. Sultan, you should really consider doing some...Wow. Sultan, you should really consider doing something about your anger management problems. When caught saying something stupid, people generally either backtrack or apologize. Apparently your tactic is to keep digging yourself deeper. Enjoy your hole.orthomomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10263941672605864501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167943418218918142007-01-04T22:43:00.000+02:002007-01-04T22:43:00.000+02:00this whole event was worse than anything in kinos ...this whole event was worse than anything in kinos because the aggressors are our own.i dont only want to cry;i want to vomit.<BR/>http://amshinover.blogspot.com/2007/01/yehuda-glantz-nafshi.htmlAMSHINOVERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07680072149053035110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167937180705398862007-01-04T20:59:00.000+02:002007-01-04T20:59:00.000+02:00I don't hate my fellow Jews. I speak out against t...I don't hate my fellow Jews. I speak out against those who try harm my fellow Jews. <BR/><BR/>But thank you for playing that worn out hatemonger card, the last trump of liberalism.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167933115264792092007-01-04T19:51:00.000+02:002007-01-04T19:51:00.000+02:00But you're right calling her Faux Orthodox is wron...<I>But you're right calling her Faux Orthodox is wrong. There's no basis for calling someone who makes a habit of bashing Orthodox Jews on any news story they can dig up and supported the forcible expulsion of thousands of Jews from their homes... Orthodox in the first place.</I><BR/><BR/>And your hatred of your fellow Jews makes you what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167924349740964102007-01-04T17:25:00.000+02:002007-01-04T17:25:00.000+02:00It's nice to that Orthomom took the time out of he...It's nice to that Orthomom took the time out of her busy schedule to repost a one sentence link to your post. <BR/><BR/>It does not however remotely change the fact that she supported the expulsion of thousands of Jews from their home.<BR/><BR/>In the other Orthomom post you linked to, she does not say Disengagement was morally wrong, only that it failed as a policy to bring about security and stability. Had it succeeded, would she regret it?<BR/><BR/>Hindsight wasn't needed to know evicting thousands from their homes was morally and ethically wrong. Her hindsight is that it failed to stop the terrorism. <BR/><BR/>But you're right calling her Faux Orthodox is wrong. There's no basis for calling someone who makes a habit of bashing Orthodox Jews on any news story they can dig up and supported the forcible expulsion of thousands of Jews from their homes... Orthodox in the first place.<BR/><BR/>Being Orthodox is more than not turning on the lights on Shabbos. Plenty of Conservative qualify for that as well.<BR/><BR/>I would see someone who turned on the lights on Shabbos yet understood that forcibly expelling thousands of Jews from their homes as wrong, as being more Shomer Torah than the other way around. And such a position can be easily backed up from the Torah too.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes a spade has to be called a spade, but if you like you're free to make very 'serious' apologies on my behalf to Orthomom, DovBear, Orthodox Anarchist, Noam Chomsky, HaRav Michael Lerner and anyone else you like.<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps you could ask Orthomom to apologize for running <A HREF="http://orthomom.blogspot.com/2005/11/assassins-in-wings.html" REL="nofollow"> hateful pieces like this </A> that smear an entire population. Or <A HREF="http://orthomom.blogspot.com/2005/09/this-is-new-generation.html" REL="nofollow"> This one </A><BR/><BR/>Or perhaps not.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167897871820694212007-01-04T10:04:00.000+02:002007-01-04T10:04:00.000+02:00Sultan Knish: I'm sorry, but you really owe Orthom...Sultan Knish: I'm sorry, but you <B>really</B> owe Orthomom a serious apology.<BR/><BR/>First of all, Orthomom was the first to link to this story. (see <A HREF="http://orthomom.blogspot.com/2007/01/disengagement-update.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>)<BR/><BR/>Secondly, Orthomom wrote <A HREF="http://orthomom.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-was-wrong.html" REL="nofollow"> this</A> where she decided that her view of the Disengagement was mistaken.<BR/><BR/>However, <B>more importantly</B>; to call her a "faux orthodox" is just wrong. I don't know her personally, but have no reason to accuse her of being "faux orthodox". <BR/><BR/>That's wrong. <BR/><BR/>Yes, she supported the Disengagement -- but that doesn't make someone "faux Orthodox".<BR/><BR/>(Plus, as I hope you know, its very difficult to see and understand things in chuzt laaretz than the way we see it here...but that's a side point)<BR/><BR/>Regarding DovBear; why don't we ask him about this issue? <BR/><BR/>While I have no clue who DovBear is, it's still wrong to say he's faux orthodox (he will, though, be very happy to admit he's a liberal). <BR/><BR/>Bloggers can be criticized for what they write; but saying they aren't Shomer Torah and mitzvot is just plain motzee shem ra.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167856377631940382007-01-03T22:32:00.000+02:002007-01-03T22:32:00.000+02:00and of course I can't wait to see Dovbear and Orth...and of course I can't wait to see Dovbear and Orthomom and the other faux orthodox liberal bloggers who supported disengagement repost this...notDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167856028337104842007-01-03T22:27:00.000+02:002007-01-03T22:27:00.000+02:00writing or faxing the disengagement authority is a...writing or faxing the disengagement authority is as good as faxing the fox who broke into the henhouse<BR/><BR/>the ONLY possible way for this to do any good is to get the story into the media as much as possibleDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167768742496440022007-01-02T22:12:00.000+02:002007-01-02T22:12:00.000+02:00I have read several stories in the newspapers and ...I have read several stories in the newspapers and internet over the past year telling of the shameful treatment the evacuees continue to receive. But when I read your post, I actually gasped in shock.<BR/><BR/>What a disgrace.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12177030621603250029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167764672142237072007-01-02T21:04:00.000+02:002007-01-02T21:04:00.000+02:00Aleph, I'm not surprised, even tho this is mitacha...Aleph, I'm not surprised, even tho this is mitachat l'kol bikoret. Bet, what good would writing olmert or sela do??? Atumei lev v'aznaim that they are! Gimmel, boycott the OU? pERHAPS that's an idea! I'm waiting for the Revolution & Moshiach to take care of this...nothing less will do!!!yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523302947845887661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1167757867513988102007-01-02T19:11:00.000+02:002007-01-02T19:11:00.000+02:00Thanks for highlighting this terrible story, Jamee...Thanks for highlighting this terrible story, Jameel. I just sent a "letter" to the O-U telling them why I am so dismayed and horrified, and directed them to your post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com