tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post1888581857669204107..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Sundays...for the Sake of IsraelJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-7261711529302182802011-07-10T17:43:32.907+03:002011-07-10T17:43:32.907+03:00I agree with you Jameel - give us Sundays off! I h...I agree with you Jameel - give us Sundays off! I have friends that I see about once a year, because with our families it is tough to invite each other for Shabbat. I'd love to be able to get together on a Sunday for a picnic with friends!!!!westbankmamahttp://westbankmama@wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1720386807244419372011-07-07T16:53:39.267+03:002011-07-07T16:53:39.267+03:00As far as the Muslims go, Friday is NOT a day of r...As far as the Muslims go, Friday is NOT a day of rest for them. Mohamed was asked the question of whether Muslim should regard Friday as a day of rest and he specifically said no, that it was bad for business. In Islam Friday is a day of <i>assembly</i> at mosque, not a day of rest. Walk through the Muslim Quarter of J'lem's Old City on Friday mid-morning and the place is bustling with commerce.Rabeladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391107244478116852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-70652525314595613212011-07-07T10:21:24.919+03:002011-07-07T10:21:24.919+03:00R. HaLevy -
There's a problem with blogger&#...R. HaLevy - <br /><br />There's a problem with blogger's comments -- I did NOT ERASE a single comment here, and in general, comments are only deleted here if they are extremely offensive or create a liability for libel.<br /><br />Holy: Glad to see you're still around :) <br /><br />Amihai: The problem is that most companies would still not let their employees leave a half day on a Tuesday...and would consider it a "reccomendation only" (the private sector would make it difficult to leave)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-5236264174297466452011-07-07T03:06:51.771+03:002011-07-07T03:06:51.771+03:00>People would be more relaxed, blood pressures ...>People would be more relaxed, blood pressures would go down<br /><br />I have been saying this for YEARS now.Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-232051159306697792011-07-06T23:11:55.001+03:002011-07-06T23:11:55.001+03:00To: R. Halevy
Your comments are not being censor...To: R. Halevy <br /><br />Your comments are not being censored or erased. But for some (technical) reason they aren't being posted onto the blog. Perhaps you are erasing them by accident after you post them. <br />Try again.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-57829495143332163862011-07-06T22:34:01.585+03:002011-07-06T22:34:01.585+03:00And what about just a half-day off, like tuesday a...And what about just a half-day off, like tuesday afternoon or wednesday, from 1 PM ?<br />Not as problematic as a full day, and it still give people a lot of free time.Amihainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-28266759348450005432011-07-06T15:20:19.091+03:002011-07-06T15:20:19.091+03:00@JoeSettler
We can agree to disagree as to whethe...@JoeSettler<br /><br />We can agree to disagree as to whether or not the concept of direct elections of the PM is a good one. However, we both agree that the implementation was abysmal. It is precisely for this reason that when Uriel Lynn says that moving to this new working week model is good for the country, my initial opposition is only confirmed.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13169109978694892927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-84958688152862628972011-07-06T13:11:16.708+03:002011-07-06T13:11:16.708+03:00http://english.themarker.com/sunday-off-not-if-the...http://english.themarker.com/sunday-off-not-if-the-treasury-has-its-way-1.371661Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-30543682472992131032011-07-06T12:52:10.377+03:002011-07-06T12:52:10.377+03:00Direct Elections for PM was an excellent idea. The...Direct Elections for PM was an excellent idea. The problem is that it was implemented stupidly.<br /><br />The PM didn't have defined separate powers (as well as checks and balances between him, the Knesset, and the Judiciary) and thus was reliant on the Knesset for everything anyway, and the Judiciary does what it wants regardless.<br /><br />The Knesset members weren't elected directly, so it still came down to coalition politics.<br /><br />And the PM still had to primarily take MKs as cabinet members, instead of professionals, technocrats, or whoever, meaning that coalition politics still played a too central role in the PM office.<br /><br /><br />They really didn't understand the US system, and assumed that direct elections of the President was the only difference between our political systems.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-45385406851070886042011-07-06T12:25:50.301+03:002011-07-06T12:25:50.301+03:00To the anonymous non-shomer shabbat commenter: Wel...To the anonymous non-shomer shabbat commenter: Welcome! :-)<br /><br />I don't think anyone expects more shmirat shabbat if we make Sunday a rest-day as well, but I think it could lower the tensions of the secular community (or make the current status quo more palatable) vis-a-vis the lack of public transport on Shabbat.<br /><br />What do you think? <br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />JameelJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26013907882176966672011-07-06T12:19:44.154+03:002011-07-06T12:19:44.154+03:00I am totally against this half-baked idea, which I...I am totally against this half-baked idea, which I'm sure hasn't been totally thought through. I currently work in hi-tech, where my official day is nine hours and my actual day is usually ten to ten and a half hours. That's a working week of 50 - 52 hours. If we go to a 4.5 day working week, I will have to fit in 44 - 46 hours into four days. Thank you, but no thank you.<br /><br />Another thing that hasn't been thought through is the traffic problems on Fridays, especially in the winter. If today, starting times are staggered between 7 am to 10 am and finishing times between 4 pm and 8 pm (and sometimes later), on a Friday everybody will be starting between 7 am to 8 am and finishing between 1 pm to 2 pm. The traffic will be horrendous.<br /><br />Another reason I don't believe in this idea is that Uriel Lynn is assuring us that it is for the good of the country. For those of you who have short memories (or moved here in the last 8 years), Uriel Lynn was one of the "geniuses" who brought us the direct election of the Prime Minister, telling us that one of its benefits would be the end of coalition haggling. Anybody who had thought through the idea would have realised that the exact opposite would be true.<br /><br />I think that the major reason behind the move is purely to keep Silvan Shalom's name in the headlines and to ensure that he gets a high place in the Likud list for the next Knesset. That is no way to run a countryGeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13169109978694892927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-91662265025686413172011-07-06T11:47:41.450+03:002011-07-06T11:47:41.450+03:00Looks like I'm your only non-shomer shabbat re...Looks like I'm your only non-shomer shabbat reader in Israel, so let me assure you and anyone who thinks otherwise that I, and all the other "chilonim", would still be mechallel shabbat if I had a Sunday to play with as well.<br /><br />It is a stupid idea in this current formulation. As usual, the policy-makers haven't thought it through properly and it will be killed off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-63556918432930226692011-07-06T05:31:50.595+03:002011-07-06T05:31:50.595+03:00Having Sundays off would help Aliyah for sure! Jew...Having Sundays off would help Aliyah for sure! Jews in most of the rest of the world as used to a relaxing Sunday. Olim have always had trouble getting used to Sunday-as-Monday.<br /><br />People work too much already (or, as with the unemployed and charedim, either they don't work enough). Let's have BOTH Sunday and Friday as full holidays! Muslims would like it. There would still be school for kids on Friday (sorry, teachers!) so parents could prepare for Shabbat or work on their own projects or other work. <br /><br />Most of the world already has a 5-day work week -- why not cut it down to a 4-day work week without making us work more hours each day!? Why does work have to take up our whole lives anyway? Our basic necessities do not have to cost that much. <br /><br />With people working the same daily hours on only 4 days a week, there would be more work to spread around. This would make it easier for charedim to enter the labor force in large numbers, which has to happen someday anyway, and could even help unemployment among the Palestinians. It would also make it easier for olim to find work. <br /><br />Come'on Israel! G-d gave us the 6-day work week thousands of years ago. Now give us the 4-day work week! Imitating G-d's merciful attributes is, after all, an all-important ethical duty (according to the Gemara!)Yishainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81596175775196399772011-07-05T23:51:01.788+03:002011-07-05T23:51:01.788+03:00I don't think so. If money is a consideration,...I don't think so. If money is a consideration, give every one off Thursday or Sunday so they can have free time.<br /><br />It would reduce conflict with observant Jews since people who chafe at Shabbat restrictions would be able to do things they want without desecrating Shabbat. And people would actually look forward to taking Shabbat as G-d intended.<br /><br />We have every right to improve on our Creator. As long as a word in the Torah is not changed. And no one is proposing to change it with an extra day of rest.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67957748918609107152011-07-05T23:48:01.596+03:002011-07-05T23:48:01.596+03:00When do you think American Shabbat observers prepa...When do you think American Shabbat observers prepare for Shabbat? Thursday night.<br /><br />If you can do that too, then you can have a half day of rest and relaxation -- on Friday!<br /><br />If you can't then you will be forced to anyway because you'll be working on Friday!jmminynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-20769796298289960192011-07-05T22:43:00.011+03:002011-07-05T22:43:00.011+03:00People, you forget something. Workers (in the publ...People, you forget something. Workers (in the public sector at least) have more than 30 days vacation a year. This already gives more than double what Americans get in vacation. Add to that miluim/extended maternity leaves, and people work a lot less here than there. Competing with the global economy (and with its academic research, my field) is almost impossible with the work week as is. Giving up Sunday as a work day would be a death blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-16026309974151007242011-07-05T22:37:07.328+03:002011-07-05T22:37:07.328+03:00The worst traffic jams are on Yom HaZikaron /Erev ...The worst traffic jams are on Yom HaZikaron /Erev Yom Ha'Atzmaut when all of Israel works a half day. Suffer through that every Friday?! And, as if we don't get home late enough already, working an extra hour Monday-Thursday?! We for will all need a Sunday to recover!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-18897650866367178672011-07-05T22:10:11.482+03:002011-07-05T22:10:11.482+03:00I've lived in Israel for 5 years now. Since I ...I've lived in Israel for 5 years now. Since I found a job, I have yet to have a "weekend off" where I can actually go somewhere with my husband and kids. I work S-Th, get up early and shop Friday mornings, cook, clean and get ready for Shabbat on Friday, and my son is in school on Fridays -- then we're home for Shabbat or at most within walking distance. I've never been to the Ben Shemen forest or Tiberias or anywhere--because I work FT and am observant. Give ME a day off, please, so I can get off this stressful schedule. I have NO day to unwind, NO day without any obligations. Don't tell me to shop during the week! Or to cook on Thursday--because I'm exhausted at the end of the work day, since I routinely put in 9 hour days, and if I get behind, I work Fridays while the chicken is cooking.<br /><br />This is a ridiculous way to live. The advantage to people who work Sundays is that they (like people in the States) will get overtime. So people who want to make a little more will be glad to work Sundays and take a different day off.aliyah06https://www.blogger.com/profile/12570980519532246704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56445782924573770462011-07-05T21:57:24.257+03:002011-07-05T21:57:24.257+03:00i dont think working on friday is such a big deal
...i dont think working on friday is such a big deal<br />hundreds of thousands orthodox jews do it now in north america and europe without a problem, yes it means that during the winter you cant put in a full day but that is what anti-discrimination laws are here for<br /><br />if sun were to become a day of rest then people who do work on sunday should be paid overtime the increase in expense in staying open on sunday will be offset by the increase in consumers able to shop and participate in recreational activities on a day that the entire country can participate in.<br /><br />I'm surprised no one has mentioned how working on sunday and NOT friday has effected the TASE and the financial sector in Israel. now that we are part of the OECD and the rest of the worlds financial markets are in such a disarray Israel has become a valuable place to put your money in a foreign market account, putting our financial system in line with the rest of the world will only helpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-24645686272608288942011-07-05T21:12:33.043+03:002011-07-05T21:12:33.043+03:00I don't believe such a law is going to improve...I don't believe such a law is going to improve our lives in Israel. A better option IMHO would be for employers to be encouraged to offer flexible work schedules (when it won't harm their business - and in many cases it helps) so that employees can choose whether they prefer Sunday or Friday (or some other day) off. That is what many US employers do, so if Israel is trying to model itself on what the world is doing, that would be a good start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-47391015135110667312011-07-05T21:10:43.315+03:002011-07-05T21:10:43.315+03:00Jameel, you're jumping to conclusions. I'm...Jameel, you're jumping to conclusions. I'm dati, live in a mixed neighborhood and interact with secular Jews on a daily basis. And there is a day every week when it's possible to spend special time to socialize with them, it's called SHABBAT. Not all secular Israelis are opposed to joining people like us for a Shabbat meal or talking with us in the park while our kids play together. Our social challenges are not religious - they're language; we have Russians, Ethiopians, Americans and Europeans in our immediate neighborhood.Tehillahhttp://hessler.co.il/tehillahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-9674623445301095642011-07-05T20:52:35.753+03:002011-07-05T20:52:35.753+03:00I used to be a big proponent of Sundays off, but I...I used to be a big proponent of Sundays off, but I am no longer so sure.<br /><br />The plan has one big advantage: To be able to go out for an entire day with the family without having to worry about being back in time for Shabbos and preparing the food.<br /><br />But that's about it.<br /><br />The disadvantages are much bigger.<br /><br />1. Sunday is a great day for global businesses. Sure it starts slow (like Monday's in America), but it gives us a day's head start on the rest of the world in terms of productivity.<br /><br />2. Who the hell wants to officially work a 10 hour day (unless you're in hi-tech, and there you work more anyway), just to make up the missing Sunday and half of Friday?<br /><br />3. Who actually thinks that a 9.5-10 hour work day will be more (or even, as) productive as an 8 hour work day (outside of high tech)?<br /><br />4. I think most office workers are already working 5 days a week. I don't know many office workers that work on Friday. Store clerks and the like will work shift hours anyway (and probably on Sunday too).<br /><br />5. I don't necessarily want my kids home from school. I like that they have school on Friday mornings, and on Sunday.<br /><br /><br />Having said all that, having a day to be able to go out together with the family without having to rush home would be great.<br /><br /><br />Perhaps the first Sunday of each month could be designated as work-free. Businesses would lose less of their advantage, and we wouldn't really have to change over everyone's work schedule to one that is not likely to be as productive.JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-5071321078342417762011-07-05T20:22:55.989+03:002011-07-05T20:22:55.989+03:00Anonymous: Unfortunately, Fridays are never a leis...Anonymous: Unfortunately, Fridays are never a leisure day because of Shabbat preparations. I've never managed to really have a leisurely Friday.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-54796464788658658992011-07-05T20:15:57.871+03:002011-07-05T20:15:57.871+03:00Another more modest proposal: A 5 day school week...Another more modest proposal: A 5 day school week, Sunday - Thursday. Kids will spend less hours in front of the TV in the PM, less transportation and electricity expense related to school facilities since no Fridays. And Friday becomes a leisure day (for those who can be organized about it).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67254518371686669062011-07-05T19:55:46.957+03:002011-07-05T19:55:46.957+03:00I agree; however, I would not add on hours during ...I agree; however, I would not add on hours during the week, or reduce pay. Let it be an 'intifada' gift, early Fridays and the Arabs can stay home if they want. The Jews/Israelis need a break.Neshmahttp://Habayitah.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com