tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post3894946053952101525..comments2024-03-10T08:13:34.023+02:00Comments on The Muqata: NIF Fellow, Shamai K. Leibowitz, receives 20 month jail termJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-6679437854138589482010-05-30T17:37:45.493+03:002010-05-30T17:37:45.493+03:00Dear G-d, Jameel! Leibovitz has been disconnected ...<i>Dear G-d, Jameel! Leibovitz has been disconnected from the NIF for donkey's years.</i><br /><br />donkey's years? He was a NIF fellow in 2004. Does 6 years mean "donkey's years?" (Thats a maximum of 6 years...I dont know how long NIF has been avoiding him).<br /><br /><i>What troubles me more is when are you going to drop your pathetic campaign full of unsubstantiated facts? First the item about the ballet and now this? </i><br /><br />1. Unsubstantiated? The ballet story was copy/pasted and hyperlinked to the source: YNET. Your complaint is with them, not with me.<br /><br />2. The NIF story IS substantiated, so I don't know what your problem is.<br /><br />3. I actually congratulated NIF on their decision to purge their website any link to Shamai, as I'm sure it's of major embarrassment to them.<br /><br />Let's look at the following: When a settler wacko, like Jack Teitel is arrested, the settler movement bends over backwards to disassociate from him, and condemn his actions. <br /><br />When Shamai is arrested, the New Israel Fund SHOULD do the same! They should try to distance themselves as much as possible (which it appears they do).<br /><br />However, when the Israeli Left continues to support Anat Kam, instead of distancing themselves from someone allegedly guilty of espionage, it damages their cause, challenges their loyalty to the State of Israel, and makes them look bad.<br /><br /><i>no wonder all your less than hardline readers are leaving you in droves.</i><br /><br />Hmmm. Does that mean I should criticize NIF for distancing themselves from Leibovitch?!<br /><br />I'm confused what you think I should be doing...<br /><br />Please elucidate!<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />JameelJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-71845148706845829772010-05-30T17:24:00.100+03:002010-05-30T17:24:00.100+03:00Anonymous: Dear G-d, Jameel! Leibovitz has been ...Anonymous: <i>Dear G-d, Jameel! Leibovitz has been disconnected from the NIF for donkey's years.</i><br /><br />That's right, his past affiliation is entirely irrelevant, and we should all studiously avoid making any mention of it. I mean, what significance could it possibly have? Let's all just try to ignore the unpleasant fact that the NIF attracts self-hating Jewish traitors like Leibowitz the way dog excrement attracts flies.<br /><br />Anonymous: <i>What troubles me more is when are you going to drop your pathetic campaign full of unsubstantiated facts?</i><br /><br />So now you're saying that it's "unsubstantiated" that Leibowitz was an NIF Law Fellow? That's funny, since <i>Leibowitz himself</i> says that he was. (And he's quite proud of it, too.)<br /><br />Anonymous: <i>no wonder all your less than hardline readers are leaving you in droves.</i><br /><br />Nu, so what the heck are you still doing here?Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67883871577745802062010-05-28T17:09:06.185+03:002010-05-28T17:09:06.185+03:00Dear G-d, Jameel! Leibovitz has been disconnected ...Dear G-d, Jameel! Leibovitz has been disconnected from the NIF for donkey's years. <br /><br />What troubles me more is when are you going to drop your pathetic campaign full of unsubstantiated facts? first the item about the ballet and now this? no wonder all your less than hardline readers are leaving you in droves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-2855128037645000402010-05-26T23:53:36.107+03:002010-05-26T23:53:36.107+03:00Maybe DovBear and Shamai Leibowitz are the same?
...Maybe DovBear and Shamai Leibowitz are the same?<br /><br />They both have Divrei Torah on their blogs, and espouse a leftist viewpoint towards Israel.BPBPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-68402997646372474202010-05-26T23:18:03.956+03:002010-05-26T23:18:03.956+03:00To be fair, Shamai Leibowitz doesn't deserve a...To be fair, Shamai Leibowitz doesn't deserve a day less than Jonathan Pollard's sentence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1440664757656205932010-05-26T22:57:18.969+03:002010-05-26T22:57:18.969+03:00I also got a lead about "Electronic Intifada&...I also got a lead about "Electronic Intifada" this evening.<br /><br />Will keep looking...Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-91844928069309089972010-05-26T19:48:08.805+03:002010-05-26T19:48:08.805+03:00The name Ali Abunimah and Electronic Intifada keep...The name Ali Abunimah and Electronic Intifada keep popping up in connection to the leibowitz name. Not that it means anything concrete.Very Curiousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72258033265774525812010-05-26T19:34:28.733+03:002010-05-26T19:34:28.733+03:00And some interesting hints at the end of this piec...And some interesting hints at the end of this piece:<br /><br />http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B47CAD21-18FE-70B2-A8CEB278531E2252Shmildanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-17165675653641375752010-05-26T19:29:17.658+03:002010-05-26T19:29:17.658+03:00Some relevant links:
http://www.justice.gov/opa/p...Some relevant links:<br /><br />http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/May/10-nsd-608.html<br /><br />http://www.4law.co.il/leibo1.pdf<br /><br />http://www.politico.com/static/PPM143_100217_leibowitz_lawyer.html<br /><br />The feds claim that the blogger published the documents in April 2009.Shmildanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-58276379770894984662010-05-26T16:57:15.151+03:002010-05-26T16:57:15.151+03:00well, your efforts are appreciated. i wouldn't...well, your efforts are appreciated. i wouldn't bother criticizing if i didn't think you were worth it. :)jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-42220215944632883182010-05-26T16:40:53.653+03:002010-05-26T16:40:53.653+03:00J Becker:
1. I'm looking for more info that ...J Becker: <br /><br />1. I'm looking for more info that was leaked from Leibowitz.<br /><br />2. The NIF has sanitized its website, removing any reference to him, or any mention whatsoever that he was a NIF Fellow (you can search the website yourself).Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-16861014156742922962010-05-26T16:39:07.371+03:002010-05-26T16:39:07.371+03:00jameel: you say the leftwing establishment has &qu...jameel: you say the leftwing establishment has "disconnected itself" from leibowitz. any evidence of that, that would be interesting (sez me).jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-28905104571733855992010-05-26T15:06:05.811+03:002010-05-26T15:06:05.811+03:00ok i checked out his blog briefly. first, it seems...ok i checked out his blog briefly. first, it seems like a quality production, including divrei torah, along the lines of dovbear where you like to post. in fact i hardly see a difference.<br /><br />second, his most recent post (from yesterday) seems to provide a wealth of clues as to what is really going on here.<br /><br />but i'm old, and tired. why don't you go read between the lines and come up with something? i just don't have the energy, or the connections, or the websavvyness to do it for you. but you brought it up, don't just leave us hanging.jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-36094806119545577972010-05-26T14:35:23.487+03:002010-05-26T14:35:23.487+03:00you trying to make me into a conspiracy theorist n...you trying to make me into a conspiracy theorist now? :)<br /><br />it doesn't say specifically that the anonymous blogger actually posted whatever it was but, knowing bloggers :) it probably was. in which case it became public domain. i'm just asking, how did everyone miss it? and there are no references on his blog? i haven't bothered to check yet, but whoever does will get all the glory. why not you?jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-3665826498569596842010-05-26T14:27:42.630+03:002010-05-26T14:27:42.630+03:00Jonathan: Well, maybe the FBI received a president...Jonathan: Well, maybe the FBI received a presidential directive in the name of "national security" to quash the story.<br /><br />If Jack Bauer wasn't personally on the case, it could be the info will never get out.<br /><br />I'm sure the FBI knows "who the blogger is" and the blogger was probably "convinced" to keep their mouth shut if they knew what was good for them.<br /><br />If the Shabak paid you a personal visit, you would probably listen to them as well, wouldnt you?Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56222207222887324822010-05-26T14:19:43.649+03:002010-05-26T14:19:43.649+03:00jameel, seriously- the information was leaked to a...jameel, seriously- the information was leaked to a blogger- one of your own. and leibowitz still has his own blog up, which you were good enough to link to. i thought there were no more secrets in the internet age? how can it be that even the judge who sentanced him doesn't know what he wrote? the sentance is short enough that it doesn't seem that major state secrets were involved. so what gives? how have the "powers that be" managed to conceal the crucial information from us?jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-13730462437496579962010-05-26T14:04:17.292+03:002010-05-26T14:04:17.292+03:00Jonathan: Its not like I can call up a good Samari...Jonathan: Its not like I can call up a good Samaritan and find out ;-)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81141250007463393152010-05-26T13:53:48.891+03:002010-05-26T13:53:48.891+03:00so this guy got busted for what, exactly? even the...so this guy got busted for what, exactly? even the judge says he doesn't know! and he's a linguistic scholar (like noam chomsky) and a grandson of leibowitz! and barghouti's lawyer! well, well well!<br /><br />i can't believe that in this day and age a canny blogger like jameel can't find out what he leaked or to whom.<br /><br />get on the case son! inquiring minds want to know!jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.com