tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post5417962087659874741..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Haaretz: Angry Female IDF Soldiers Walk Out Of Segregated Torah DancingJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72590992450414333902011-10-25T15:54:55.144+02:002011-10-25T15:54:55.144+02:00A close relative of mine, an army Rabbi, was at th...A close relative of mine, an army Rabbi, was at the event, and he says that what Haaretz wrote is completely inaccurate. i.e. Haaretz lied. What a surprise.<br /><br />My relative said that the Rotter story is closer to the truth than Haaretz. He doesn't deny that it's possible that some "putz" (he actually used that word!) told the girls to move aside but it is not the official position of the Rabbinate. He also said that there weren't 100 girls there in the first place so there couldn't have been that number who walked out.<br /><br />I wrote 3 talkbacks to Haaretz quoting my relative's story and Rotter's, and demanded a retraction. They have not printed any of my comments nor printed a retraction.<br /><br />As I said, Haaretz lied. I'm not surprised. Honest Reporting called them one of Israel's biggest enemies.<br /><br />This story is being promoted on anti-Zionist sites with great glee. Haaretz have lent their hand to a huge chilul Hashem.anneinpthttp://anneinpt.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26252684231386760572011-10-25T11:23:14.091+02:002011-10-25T11:23:14.091+02:00Yet another media is lefist rant?
A few comments:...Yet another media is lefist rant?<br /><br />A few comments: <br /><br />1. Haaretz had a different picture up when I posted this story.<br /><br />2. An eyewitness said that the women were not asked to dance separately, but the area was divided that way in the first place.<br /><br />3. Michal: There was no sheet, and the women's area was clearly NOT 50 meters away -- you can clearly see from the picture that the women were adjacent to the men, separated only by a long table with food on it. <br /><br />If people have to get so huffy over a simple table separation between men and women dancing for hakafot shniyot, then there is no hope for any religious celebration in the IDF. <br /><br />If certain IDF women view this as an insult to their religious sensibilities, then why are religious cadets singled out and thrown out of officer training, when THEIR religious sensibilities are offended? (And why isn't the obvious connection even mentioned by Haaretz)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-47832595297088116032011-10-25T09:46:00.355+02:002011-10-25T09:46:00.355+02:00Yet another "media is leftist" rant from...Yet another "media is leftist" rant from the Muqata stables. And full of holes, what a surprise.<br /><br />Yawwwwn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-14636745902543587572011-10-25T09:05:23.493+02:002011-10-25T09:05:23.493+02:00It seems like there were 2 mechitza situations at ...It seems like there were 2 mechitza situations at the dancing:<br />1. Separation by long tables <br />2. Separate area 50 m away with a cloth mechitza.<br /><br />The Haaretz photo shows the women enjoying themselves in the 1st situation. Therefore it does not contradict the content of the article that the women were then asked to move a separate area and decided to leave. <br /><br />Hardly surprising that they were annoyed by this.<br /><br />Regarding the comparison between this situation and the IDF cadets who walked out of an event with women singing, there is a major difference. The cadets left a mixed event (possibly correctly, in my opinion) that was taking place in one physical space and at which their presence was significant. Consequently by walking out, their leaving and absence was very obvious. <br /><br />In contrast at the hakafot shniot, it is clear that the men's section where the music was being played was the center of the event. A women's section 50 m away surrounded by a sheet is just peripheral. No-one could see whether they were there or not, whether they were dancing or not. The presence was peripheral and irrelevant to the men's section and therefore their leaving was irrelevant and most likely went unnoticed by most the men anyway.michalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81646737765590802562011-10-25T00:28:41.721+02:002011-10-25T00:28:41.721+02:00A few may have, but that is not the point here:
1...A few may have, but that is not the point here:<br /><br />1) The article was factually incorrect.<br /><br />2) Religious soldiers were recently punished for <b>quietly</b> exiting a musical show performed by women - for religious reasons.<br /><br />3) The religious soldiers were castigated by certain sectors. Yet, here is a very similar situation, yet no one who attacked the religious soldiers are castigating these non-religious soldiers who walked out.JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-82492202821890946812011-10-25T00:12:15.215+02:002011-10-25T00:12:15.215+02:00Something about this post puzzles me.
Why does th...Something about this post puzzles me.<br /><br />Why does the fact that there were a bunch of women enjoying themselves preclude the possibility that another bunch of women walked off in a huff?The Reform Baal Teshuvahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00842373562562136325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-34930923403968612872011-10-24T20:54:43.227+02:002011-10-24T20:54:43.227+02:00Did anyone notice that in the rush to condemn Haar...Did anyone notice that in the rush to condemn Haaretz's inaccuracy this post's photo caption's claim that "Haaretz didn't post this photo ..." is untrue as a quick click on the posted link verifies?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-20051307468143919432011-10-24T19:31:07.933+02:002011-10-24T19:31:07.933+02:00"I love that someone makes a comment suggesti..."I love that someone makes a comment suggesting Haaretz gets bombed, and then the comment people object to is the joke!"<br /><br />I'm the first anonymous who responded to the joke.<br /><br />I, for one, have been online long enough to filter out all comments of that nature before the reach the brain - there is not enough time to respond to every obviously offensive comment you see. The joke was rather badly executed, but still worth responding to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-62477472943761084222011-10-24T19:01:12.291+02:002011-10-24T19:01:12.291+02:00I love that someone makes a comment suggesting Haa...I love that someone makes a comment suggesting Haaretz gets bombed, and then the comment people object to is the joke! If I were writing a short story to lampoon this exchange, I couldn't have written it better.<br />Simply wonderful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-53165974746789927322011-10-24T13:42:20.561+02:002011-10-24T13:42:20.561+02:00In other places of the world, gender segregation i...In other places of the world, gender segregation is promoted in public places by feminists and for the protection of women.<br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150371493996397joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-77433005603178728212011-10-24T09:36:32.253+02:002011-10-24T09:36:32.253+02:00Lighten up people. The only problems with Larry...Lighten up people. The only problems with Larry's joke is that it was funny <b>20 years ago</b> when I first heard it, and he messed up the punchline.<br /><br />The correct punchline is: <br /><i>"Could lead to <b>mixed</b> dancing!" Rabbi replied.</i><br /><br />And that's why the joke is funny.<br /><br /><br />But it's nice to see Larry trying to play nice for a change.<br /><br />As for Haaretz: What a bunch of unprofessional hypocrites.JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-92126980663557930832011-10-24T01:24:38.764+02:002011-10-24T01:24:38.764+02:00Larry's joke isn't a good one. Jewish law ...Larry's joke isn't a good one. Jewish law only frowns on intimate contact between unmarried individuals of the opposite sex in a public setting.<br /><br />But a husband and wife would be permitted to dance together. Judaism praises marital intimacy but it discourages situations that could lead to violations of Torah law.<br /><br />Nothing medieval or regressive about it.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-50057477175833848562011-10-24T00:10:33.995+02:002011-10-24T00:10:33.995+02:00Larry, your joke is not funny because it so obviou...Larry, your joke is not funny because it so obviously misses the point. The objection is to public dancing, not dancing in general.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67493448479146314912011-10-23T21:58:19.888+02:002011-10-23T21:58:19.888+02:00Is Haaretz situated in Tel Aviv? Maybe when Hezbol...Is Haaretz situated in Tel Aviv? Maybe when Hezbollah attacks next time, we could direct their missiles to the Haaretz building; it will be poetic etc justice!!Juniper in the Deserthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05708630426785072160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-27561679241242527472011-10-23T21:30:24.715+02:002011-10-23T21:30:24.715+02:00A good opportunity for a joke
A modern Orthodox J...A good opportunity for a joke<br /><br />A modern Orthodox Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding<br />meets with their rabbi for counselling.<br /><br /><br />The rabbi asks if they have any last questions before they leave.<br /><br />The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together, like the rest of the world."<br /><br />"Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest. Men and women always<br />dance sepa-rately."<br /><br />"So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"<br /><br />"No," answered the rabbi. "It's forbidden."<br /><br />"Well, okay," says the man, "What about sex? Can we finally have sex?"<br /><br />"Of course!" replies the rabbi. "Sex is a mitzvah a good thing within marriage, to have children!"<br /><br />"What about different positions?" asks the man<br /><br />"No problem," says the rabbi "It's a mitzvah!"<br /><br />"Woman on top?" the man asks.<br /><br />"Sure," says the rabbi. "Go for it! It's a mitzvah!"<br /><br />"Doggy style?"<br /><br />"Sure! Another mitzvah!"<br /><br />"On the kitchen table?"<br /><br />"Yes, yes! A mitzvah!"<br /><br />"Can we do it standing up?"<br /><br />"No." says the rabbi."<br /><br />"Why not?" asks the man.<br /><br />"Could lead to dancing!" Rabbi repliedLarrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-39355441293092968052011-10-23T15:10:25.553+02:002011-10-23T15:10:25.553+02:00Leftists value tolerance and pluralism - unless it...Leftists value tolerance and pluralism - unless it concerns a religious practice of which they don't approve.<br /><br />Then they really get intolerant! There is a reason Jewish law bans mixed dancing. Maybe <i> Haaretz </i> doesn't have to like it but it should at least respect the right of IDF personnel to follow it.<br /><br />Its not too much to ask.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.com