tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post7165751622032503110..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: The Lord vs. the iPadJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-50114368183121000872011-11-24T19:46:02.557+02:002011-11-24T19:46:02.557+02:00"Mankind today must adopt the good things fro..."Mankind today must adopt the good things from the internet and help all of humanity. Amen."<br /><br />I agree ... Amen V'AmenNeshamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06326762185596512130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-12911197820390009052011-11-24T10:54:03.239+02:002011-11-24T10:54:03.239+02:00Anonymous:
Factionalism is what will destroy our ...Anonymous:<br /><br /><i>Factionalism is what will destroy our present status quo, much as it did at Churban baiyit sheini.</i><br /><br />Ah, the ultimate conversation stopper. Factionalism -- or the inability to criticize anyone for the sake of the klal, regardless of the issue at hand.<br /><br />Tell me, I am allowed to write I found Rabbi Sack's drash on the "i,i,i,iPad" immature and anti-intellectual? Since "asinine" is wrong, am I allowed to disagree with his viewpoint at all? <br /><br />Rabbi Sack's has no issue dishing out criticism in his "Traditional Alternatives" book, where his stereotypical "Kipa Sruga" character is painted in radical wing wing colors.<br /><br />Yet to call his "i,i,i" remark asinine is wrong?<br /><br />His office found it necessary to do spin control after hundreds of thousands of people found it insulting that he (appeared) to be attacking Apple Corp and Steve Jobs.<br /><br />I found his speech distasteful. However, I also removed the post after deciding that my language could have been written differently.<br /><br />At the end of the day, he clarified his statements in an apologetic tone, and I removed my post. <br /><br />Regardless of the post, his previous statements about Israel were offensive to many Israelis, many Jews, and your kneejerk defense of everything Rabbi Sacks says is kind of pitiful.<br /><br />PS: Here's a good Dvar Torah for you: There is a whole breed of internet commercialism, based on altruism. <br /><br />Youtube videos; upload files for everyone to view...for free!<br /><br />Yousendit: it lets you send large files, with a free trial period!<br /><br />yourway.co.il: lets YOU plan your vacation to Israel.<br /><br />Mankind today must adopt the good things from the internet and help all of humanity. Amen.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-20727073098711261792011-11-24T09:07:39.017+02:002011-11-24T09:07:39.017+02:00M.Y. Scher, I was referring to Lord Sacks, not R&#...M.Y. Scher, I was referring to Lord Sacks, not R' Cordoza. That should be obvious, because of the Mashgiach's history.Neshamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06326762185596512130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-14838574990803699292011-11-23T23:40:56.809+02:002011-11-23T23:40:56.809+02:00I guess you see no irony in Dati Jews defending th...I guess you see no irony in Dati Jews defending their attack on a Rabbi whom many respect, though obviously they don't.<br />Factionalism is what will destroy our present status quo, much as it did at Churban baiyit sheini.<br />Is it that he's too liberal for you?<br />Do you just not like his views?<br />To me, your position is indefensible, but we'll just let your readers decide.<br />BTW, attacking the Rav for other things he's said with which you disagree as a justification for your previous offensive remarks is kind of pitiful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-89761282518251355102011-11-23T18:00:29.035+02:002011-11-23T18:00:29.035+02:00I clicked on the disclaimer from google, and it...I clicked on the disclaimer from google, and it's not about that google search results but rather the fact that you searched for the word 'jew'..<br /><br />In that link they provide a link to a fascinating article which reads...<br /><br />"According to the "Philologos" (word lover) column in the Jewish newspaper The Forward, the word "Jew" is unique in the English language. In English, there are two rules of thumb for using nouns as adjectives when referring to ethnicity or geographic origin.<br /><br />In one system, the noun and the adjective are the same. "Russian," "German" and "Greek" are interchangeable as nouns and adjectives; you say, "he's Greek" and "he's eating a Greek salad." In the second system, the noun and the adjective are different. You drink "Turkish" coffee, but no one says "he is a Turkish."<br /><br />"There is, to the best of my knowledge," according to Philologos, "only one consistent exception to this rule: the word Jew." You can use "Jew" and "Jewish" interchangeably. The column contends that using "Jew" as an adjective is therefore offensive because it inherently suggests that Jews are "unlike all other human beings.""<br /><br />Sounds like we should stop calling people Jewish and start being a unique people in the world :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-61857780820483091802011-11-23T17:28:10.090+02:002011-11-23T17:28:10.090+02:00Anonymous @ 5:09 PM, : Why would an international...Anonymous @ 5:09 PM, : <i>Why would an internationally respected rabbinic leader say something this asinine to the BBC?<br />"He also told the B.B.C. that Israel's self-defense against a two-year war of Palestinian terror makes him 'feel very uncomfortable as a Jew.'"</i><br /><br />Thanks for pointing that out. If you google that particular statement by R. Sacks, btw, you will find that it is <a href="https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22Jonathan+Sacks%22+%22feel+very+uncomfortable+as+a+Jew%22&pbx=1&oq=%22Jonathan+Sacks%22+%22feel+very+uncomfortable+as+a+Jew%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=283l283l0l817l1l1l0l0l0l0l256l256l2-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=d63e3537220dc703&biw=1647&bih=816" rel="nofollow">quoted gleefully and incessantly by thousands of viciously antisemitic web sites</a> -- so much so that Google feels compelled to accompany the search results with a disclaimer.<br /><br />To call that repugnant statement "asinine" is an understatement. Kol HaKavod, Lord Sacks.<br /><br />Statements like that from R. Sacks demonstrate very clearly why it is absurd, to put it mildly, to compare him to R. Soloveitchik or R. Feinstein. Unlike R. Sacks, they were proud, not uncomfortable, about being Jews. And they certainly would never have publicly denounced the Jewish state for defending itself against those who seek to destroy it, especially to a antisemitic audience -- as R. Sacks did.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-12455931647722365712011-11-23T17:09:32.314+02:002011-11-23T17:09:32.314+02:00Why would an internationally respected rabbinic le...Why would an internationally respected rabbinic leader say something this asinine to the BBC?<br /><br /><i>"He also told the B.B.C. that Israel's self-defense against a two-year war of Palestinian terror makes him "feel very uncomfortable as a Jew." </i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-9475920649564902692011-11-23T17:03:38.664+02:002011-11-23T17:03:38.664+02:00Anonymous @ 3:47 PM: Would you have written a post...Anonymous @ 3:47 PM: <i>Would you have written a post like that if Rabbi Soloveitchik or Rav Moshe Feinstein were the person with whom you objected? I would tend to doubt it.</i><br /><br />(1) With all due respect to R. Sacks, he is not nearly of the stature of R. Soloveitchik or R. Feinstein.<br /><br />(2) Would R. Soloveitchik or R. Feinstein have made a statement as foolish as the one made by R. Sacks (which, to his credit, he has since retracted)? I would tend to doubt it.<br /><br />Anonymous: <i>I also doubt you would have written that if you weren't an anonymous blogger. If you actually had to put your name where your hurtful words were, you wouldn't have the courage to criticize an internationally respected rabbinic leader so brazenly.</i><br /><br />Hmm, I wonder what makes you assume that, Mr. ...<br />Oops, never mind -- I just noticed that you're an anonymous commenter.<br /><br />Anonymous: <i>Grow up.</i><br /><br />Chill out.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26011554157728919862011-11-23T17:01:48.510+02:002011-11-23T17:01:48.510+02:00Not surprising,Rabbi Sacks made it on this list wa...Not surprising,Rabbi Sacks made it on this list way back when he supported the tragic Oslo Accords.<br />http://www.masada2000.org/list-S.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-83077047754638184582011-11-23T15:47:04.487+02:002011-11-23T15:47:04.487+02:00I'm glad your post was removed, but the fact i...I'm glad your post was removed, but the fact is, it all comes down to Kavod Harav. Would you have written a post like that if Rabbi Soloveitchik or Rav Moshe Feinstein were the person with whom you objected? I would tend to doubt it. You wouldn't have called their words asinine.<br />I also doubt you would have written that if you weren't an anonymous blogger. If you actually had to put your name where your hurtful words were, you wouldn't have the courage to criticize an internationally respected rabbinic leader so brazenly.<br />Grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-21039031892875134552011-11-23T14:52:11.589+02:002011-11-23T14:52:11.589+02:00yoni r.: I wonder how long it will take for Rabbi...yoni r.: <i>I wonder how long it will take for Rabbi Sacks to come out swinging against a popular and ordinarily intelligent Jewish blogger...</i><br /><br />Whoa, it looks like you were right; it certainly didn't take R. Sacks long to "come out swinging". (I hope Jameel ducked.)<br /><br />That's assuming, of course, that one considers R. Sacks contrite spin-control "clarification" and flip-flop regarding Steve Jobs to be an example of "coming out swinging"...Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-49633791483503008062011-11-23T02:31:52.078+02:002011-11-23T02:31:52.078+02:00Rabbis are drawn to that initial "i" of ...Rabbis are drawn to that initial "i" of iPod like moths to a flame. I expect that if you were to look for them you could find examples in contemporary Christian and Islamic homiletics as well.<br /><br />Homiletics is not linguistics. More often than not, it is not even exegesis. It's purpose is to edify while amusing. We find this sort of stuff all over aggadic midrash, and all over the gemara, so why deny it to Sacks?<br /><br />OTOH, it may be construed as poor taste to make an example of him so soon after his death, and there is no shortage of consummate marketers to choose from.<br /><br />But, if you read Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning was the Command Line," you will understand why Jobs is a natural choice.The Reform Baal Teshuvahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00842373562562136325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-64756771604646652452011-11-22T17:41:00.383+02:002011-11-22T17:41:00.383+02:00Yoni; Probably because of the 693,000 other articl...Yoni; Probably because of the 693,000 other articles on the Web talking about Lord Sacks and Steve Jobs...<br /><br />https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=Lord+Sacks+Steve+Jobs&pbx=1&oq=Lord+Sacks+Steve+Jobs&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1810l5377l0l5590l21l17l0l1l1l0l251l2750l0.12.5l18l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=a2761fc5b398cc1a&biw=1280&bih=616Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-80854493486509150052011-11-22T17:26:12.643+02:002011-11-22T17:26:12.643+02:00Jameel,
Maybe because of your article.Jameel,<br /><br />Maybe <i>because of</i> your article.yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-78681317260395315022011-11-22T17:07:30.682+02:002011-11-22T17:07:30.682+02:00Yoni: Too bad he posted his clarification AFTER I ...Yoni: Too bad he posted his clarification AFTER I posted my article!<br /><br />:-)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-79716256293267236482011-11-22T16:10:27.188+02:002011-11-22T16:10:27.188+02:00Jameel,
Too bad you didn't see the clarificat...Jameel,<br /><br />Too bad you didn't see the clarification first. It could have saved you the trouble of publishing a misdirected attack on the Chief Rabbi.<br /><br />I have a feeling that the clarification was due to the reaction of millions of angry Apple fans. Ironically, the day before Jobs' death, many of those fans were spewing venom in his direction over the perceived (in their eyes) shortcomings of the iPhone 4s. Jobs' demise magically turned Apple's failure into a technological marvel.yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-7006624240857657912011-11-22T15:47:26.772+02:002011-11-22T15:47:26.772+02:00Yoni: The Chief Rabbi's office has already st...Yoni: The Chief Rabbi's office has already started with spin control :-)<br /><br />http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/58670/chief-rabbi-i-did-not-attack-steve-jobs-or-appleJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-15307049655523039732011-11-22T15:33:35.332+02:002011-11-22T15:33:35.332+02:00In perhaps one of the most asinine attacks on mode...<i>In perhaps one of the most asinine attacks on modern society I've come across lately, the Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Jonathan Sacks has come out swinging against the late Steve Jobs, Apple Corp, and modern day consumerism.<br />[...]<br />The "i" in "iPhone" is not intended to be "possessive" any more than an ophthalmologist is a label for a selfish physician who cares more about getting your money than caring for your opthamological </i>[<i>sic.</i>] <i>health.</i><br /><br />I wonder how long it will take for Rabbi Sacks to come out swinging against a popular and ordinarily intelligent Jewish blogger who mistook an obviously pedagogical jumping-off point for etymological substantiation of his premise, thereby totally ignoring the valid point he was making.<br /><br />Perhaps he'll conclude that the blogger was so focused on dinging him for not encouraging Aliyah (<i>at an interfaith reception attended by the Queen of England!</i>) that he was scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for some context for misplaced criticism.<br /><br />Far be it from me to say it, I'm just wondering if the Chief Rabbi will.yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-61858001185592889642011-11-22T14:31:20.007+02:002011-11-22T14:31:20.007+02:00""lach" in Yiddish, as I wrotein th...""lach" in Yiddish, as I wrotein the post above and provided the Wikipedia hyperlinked article, means diminutive plural."<br /><br />No, that is not what the word 'lach' means. That is what the suffix 'lach' means.<br /><br />I asked because according to google translate, 'lach' means 'you' in Yiddish as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-48915376129002414292011-11-22T14:26:27.765+02:002011-11-22T14:26:27.765+02:00"While the "i" could mean, "I&..."While the "i" could mean, "I" as in first person, everyone routinely uses "i" to denote internet."<br /><br />According to apple, the "i" in iMac stands for 'individual'. 'internet', 'instruct', 'inform' and 'inspire'<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHPtoTctDYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-8582056535774041152011-11-22T13:26:24.781+02:002011-11-22T13:26:24.781+02:00I wonder if those rabbis you've cited are any ...I wonder if those rabbis you've cited are any happier with YouTube. :-)Walidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-91454873302845924262011-11-22T10:14:07.315+02:002011-11-22T10:14:07.315+02:00Anonymous (fan of R' Saks):
As the owner of s...Anonymous (fan of R' Saks):<br /><br />As the owner of some of R' Saks's books, I was disappointed that he used the "i" in iPad to get to his "i,i,i" point of attacking consumer culture. <br /><br />Personally, I found the metaphor not becoming of the intellect of R' Sacks, nor befitting the general public. This is the new level of discourse?Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-5486639206235360122011-11-21T23:21:57.055+02:002011-11-21T23:21:57.055+02:00"Aliya doesn't need a catchphrase -- its ..."Aliya doesn't need a catchphrase -- its a mitzva."<br /><br />Just because something's a mitzvah means that everyone will automatically want to do it? I see you object to all mussar, not just these examples.Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-43231508197717115602011-11-21T22:57:54.924+02:002011-11-21T22:57:54.924+02:00Wo, easy there, big fella.
It is a metaphor for se...Wo, easy there, big fella.<br />It is a metaphor for selfishness that Rav Saks is suggesting, not a literal attack on the iPad. When he reverts to i,i,i, he in no way is suggesting that this is what Apple meant. <br />He is not attacking computers, or iPads, he is attacking the consumer culture in which we live.<br />Speaking as a big fan of Rav Saks, perhaps you should consider your phraseology and Kavod Harav when you blog. Nastiness begets nastiness, you know.<br />I believe it was Andrew Carnegie who defined the consumer culture as getting people to consider luxuries as necessities.<br />Chill out there, J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67269940332184811152011-11-21T21:21:01.864+02:002011-11-21T21:21:01.864+02:00Jameel, regarding Rav Cardozo, ein shoelin al hadr...Jameel, regarding Rav Cardozo, ein shoelin al hadrashot. ;-)<br /><br />Neshama, Rav Cardozo isn't the fellow I expect to echo very much coming out of Lakewood.Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.com