tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post7381243568938203179..comments2024-03-10T08:13:34.023+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Missionaries in Modiin...Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-85368057954463457662011-09-25T23:01:04.079+03:002011-09-25T23:01:04.079+03:00http://www.rockportbaptist.org/notes/062611am.pdf
...http://www.rockportbaptist.org/notes/062611am.pdf<br />Let's see if they try to pull this one next....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-41687804262975795852011-09-22T21:35:45.882+03:002011-09-22T21:35:45.882+03:00What does this have to do with me?What does this have to do with me?JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-3716493110421824552011-09-22T20:54:15.047+03:002011-09-22T20:54:15.047+03:00With all the "wacky uber-liberals" in Mo...With all the "wacky uber-liberals" in Modiin, how is it that Mor High School in Reut was ranked #1 as the high school that produced the highest number of IDF officers for 2010. Data shows that 97 Mor graduates finished the officer's course last year. The city of Modiin-Maccabim-Reut also has the highest number of Israel Defense Forces recruits, both among men and women, according to the IDF. Bnei Brak is last. Joe, you really need to get away from the Muqata for a Shabbat and rediscover Modiin. Bring a toothbrush. You'll need it to get that bad taste out of your mouth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-3136463894886616222011-09-21T23:37:47.716+03:002011-09-21T23:37:47.716+03:00Hmmm, waving a Jew in front of a missionary is rat...Hmmm, waving a Jew in front of a missionary is rather like waving a pork chop at a lion, as I'm sure you-all realize by now. Converting a Jew gets you many more missionary miles and lucky stars on your report card than just convincing some cannibal to stop eating children. <br /><br />Of course, throwing both Rashi and the Doctrinal Hypothesis at missionaries here in San Francisco is good for sheer hours of meanspirited entertainment - my downstairsikeh is, once again, convinced that I am going to hell. It will probably be another four or five years before she tries again.<br /><br />Totally rude riddle: How do we know little baby jesus is sweet? Because we put him in the blender, that's how.<br /><br />Sorry. No offense to any lurking vegetarians intended. Sorry.AtTheBackoftheHillhttp://atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-86149028584642267872011-09-21T23:34:42.613+03:002011-09-21T23:34:42.613+03:00PZ,
Perhaps you haven't noticed that the Isra...PZ,<br /><br />Perhaps you haven't noticed that the Israeli government's apparent best friends back in the States are evangelicals. There is a strong disincentive for Israel to antagonize them by kicking those who preach the gospel out of the country.MJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56406400677668019102011-09-21T21:33:31.204+03:002011-09-21T21:33:31.204+03:00MJ,
Presumably Brig and Michelle are here on a v...MJ, <br /><br />Presumably Brig and Michelle are here on a visa and need the good will of the Israeli govt. (and to prove they aren't skirting laws) if they wish to stay...Proud Zionistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-32833397248384414242011-09-21T20:06:33.362+03:002011-09-21T20:06:33.362+03:00What ambiguity? I'll ask my lawyer friend from...What ambiguity? I'll ask my lawyer friend from the Justice ministry what she thinks.MJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56479768225188925202011-09-21T19:39:04.929+03:002011-09-21T19:39:04.929+03:00It's well known that Jesus was an avid soccer ...It's well known that Jesus was an avid soccer player (just as we know that YAakov Avinu wore a black hat). That's probably what he discussed with the boys during the game.yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-51078251222087574662011-09-21T18:00:57.225+03:002011-09-21T18:00:57.225+03:00MK: The ambiguity allows for prosecution, even if ...MK: The ambiguity allows for prosecution, even if a minor doesn't convert.<br /><br />And how do you know what took place during the soccer game? What sort of Christian banter might have taken place?Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-40098080706613319252011-09-21T17:50:23.310+03:002011-09-21T17:50:23.310+03:00That's not enough legal cover to ban a Christi...That's not enough legal cover to ban a Christian from talking about Jesus as long as he leaves conversion out of it (and Christians preaching to Jews in Israel encourage them to "stay Jewish" but accept Jesus), and certainly not enough to prevent him from playing soccer. But good try.<br /><br />Also the last clause says that punishment will only be meted out for actions that do contribute to the conversion of minor, not that "can" contribute to the conversion of a minor.MJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-91421917949294518832011-09-21T17:06:35.117+03:002011-09-21T17:06:35.117+03:00People -- forget Pastor James. It is patently ill...People -- forget Pastor James. It is patently illegal to proselytize to MINORS in Israel.<br /><br />Update: And for all the legal geniuses in Modiin who claim it is not illegal to proselytize in Israel -- missionizing to minors is absolutely illegal, and punishable by 6 months in jail:<br /><br />"לא ידון איש על המרת דת עם קטין (מתחת לגיל 18) ללא הסכמת הוריו." (ראה חוק הכשרות המשפטית והאפוטרופסות,<br />תשכ"ב-1962: 31א., המרת דתו של קטין ,תיקון: תשכ"ה, תשמ"א, תשנ"ו)<br /><br />A person shall not discuss conversion with a minor (under 18) without his parents consent.<br /> <br />"המשדל קטין, בפניה ישירה אליו, להמיר דתו, דינו - מאסר ששה חדשים." (חוק העונשין תשל"ז-1987 סעיף 368 ב.)<br />"העורך טקס המרת דתו של קטין או עושה פעולה אחרת המביאה לידי המרת דתו של קטין, בניגוד להוראות סעיף 13א לחוק הכשרות המשפטית והאפוטרופסות, תשכ"ב-1962, דינו - מאסר ששה חדשים." (368א.)<br /><br />A person who solicits a minor to convert his religion, the punishment is 6 months in prison. A person who conducts a conversion ceremony for a minor or any other action which could cause a minor to convert, in violation of law 13a, the punishment is 6 months in prison.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-35993414743257918642011-09-21T16:58:41.147+03:002011-09-21T16:58:41.147+03:00Love your last line, Jameel. Gaza sounds like the ...Love your last line, Jameel. Gaza sounds like the perfect place for this couple.westbankmamahttp://westbankmama.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-7892285407641022902011-09-21T16:50:05.663+03:002011-09-21T16:50:05.663+03:00Ladies and germs,
methinks Pastor James here is a...Ladies and germs, <br />methinks Pastor James here is an antimissionary trying to rile everyone upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-64088178811952035392011-09-21T15:27:58.546+03:002011-09-21T15:27:58.546+03:00Pastor James,
Brig Jones' friend bragged tha...Pastor James, <br /><br />Brig Jones' friend bragged that he and Brig tried to "speak the word" to the daughter of a Holocaust survivor. That must make you proud, huh, finishing the work that Hitler started (vanishing the Jews)? <br /><br />MJ, if the choice is between inflaming their persecution complex and giving them unfettered access to our kiddies, I'll take persecution complex for 200 please, Alex. <br /><br />Jameel, another great post on some of the ridiculousness that occurs on the Modi'in list. I particularly like the post that referenced a "witch hunt." Good stuff. Apparently being a missionary targeting kids is totally fine, but exposing someone who is doing that is immoral.Proud Zionistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-58436446040187259362011-09-21T15:24:26.783+03:002011-09-21T15:24:26.783+03:00Pastor James wrote, "You are living in the Ho...Pastor James wrote, "You are living in the Holy Land where Christ walked and preached against the Jews. It is only natural that true believers introduce you to the word of The Lord." <br /><br />Yes, and for thousands of years, we Jews have resisted your "word," often "causing" you "peaceful Christians" to massacre us at the point of a sword (which was totally moral, as long as we accepted Jesus shortly before death). As G-d predicted in the Torah, we have returned to our Holy Land. And we are staying!<br /><br />עם ישראל חיProud Zionistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-27578140394108179692011-09-21T15:06:24.530+03:002011-09-21T15:06:24.530+03:00By the way, from listening to lots of evangelical ...By the way, from listening to lots of evangelical christian radio back when I lived in the midwest for entertainment, I have learned that if there is one thing evangelicals thrive on its the idea that they are being persecuted. Harass a missionary or make his vocation illegal and hallelujah! he feels just about as giddy as Jesus felt on the cross (minus the whole "oh lord, why hast thou forsaken me?" part)<br /><br />The contributions will start pouring in and before you know it Beit Yeshu of greater Modiin will be holding Saturday morning services complete with a kiddush of yerushalmi kugel and qvutzat yabne pickles.MJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-8557221838586289052011-09-21T14:59:40.126+03:002011-09-21T14:59:40.126+03:00A small point, but from a legal point of view, if ...A small point, but from a legal point of view, if missionary activities are against the law, I fail to see how kiruv activities can fall on the legal side of things. The law would have to be worded very carefully and deliberately (maybe it is, I haven't seen it) in order to keep kiruv legal while still precluding other types of missionary activities.<br /><br />I'm not saying that kiruv is the same, especially in Israel, but the "kiruv-should-be-OK-in-a-Jewish-state" argument, while appealing from a sentimental point of view, falls short of any standards based on legal rigor. (That's not to say that there's <i>no</i> legal argument in favor of kiruv, or that your argument would not have its place when drafting such a law, but it does not seem to be appropriate in the specific context you presented.)yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72766756311297822842011-09-21T14:52:17.538+03:002011-09-21T14:52:17.538+03:00It's Uber liberal to prefer to live in a count...It's Uber liberal to prefer to live in a country with freedom of religion? Do all you can to let your friends know that your aryan looking christian neighbors, Brig and Michelle Jones (clearly very clever pseudonyms) don't live in Modiin because Brig enjoys the humidity, but because they are here to spread love of Jesus.<br /><br />But if you want to combat missionaries then instead of making their religion illegal, reach out to the disaffected Russians who they are targeting.MJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81831344345022429102011-09-21T14:33:08.471+03:002011-09-21T14:33:08.471+03:00Lurker: But because of your stubbornness and your ...Lurker: <i>But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed… for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger (Romans 2:5, 8).</i><br /><br />rrW: You are living in the Holy Land where Christ walked and preached against the Jews. It is only natural that true believers introduce you to the word of The Lord.Pastor James (from Modiin)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26992795302649127462011-09-21T14:23:34.513+03:002011-09-21T14:23:34.513+03:00Pastor James: How dare you compare Christian Miss...Pastor James: <i>How dare you compare Christian Missionaries, who spread the holy word of our Lord, Jesus Christ, to that of Pedophiles!</i><br /><br />Good question, Pastor. Here's the answer:<br /><br />(1) Both of them target children.<br /><br />(2) Both of them expose children to things that the childrens' parents and communities vehemently oppose.<br /><br />(3) Both of them engage in subterfuge to hide their targeting of children from the childrens' parents and from the community.<br /><br />(4) Both of them engage in illegal activity (in Israel, at least).<br /><br />I hope that answers your question. Any more questions I can help you with?Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-29205687067357770762011-09-21T14:13:46.967+03:002011-09-21T14:13:46.967+03:00Pastor James: Perhaps you should read this blog ab...Pastor James: Perhaps you should read <a href="http://fandaeagles.com/about/" rel="nofollow">this blog</a> about the rampant sexual abuse of children in Fanda, Senegal by <b>Jesus-loving Christian Missionaries.</b><br /><br />Jameel: Thanks for posting this. <br /><br />I'm not religious at all, but we live in a Jewish State, and <b>even Modiin</b> is entitled to be missionary-free. I'm sorry there are so many freaks on the over-moderated Modiin list.Modiin Secular Zionist (but against Missionaries)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-57950035627239743982011-09-21T13:53:37.631+03:002011-09-21T13:53:37.631+03:00How dare you compare Christian Missionaries, who s...How dare you compare Christian Missionaries, who spread the holy word of our Lord, Jesus Christ, to that of Pedophiles!Pastor Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-44299218390448464162011-09-21T13:48:54.563+03:002011-09-21T13:48:54.563+03:00I'm surprised there was no reference to carrol...I'm surprised there was no reference to carrolingcrazycatcousinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-23159940306155663032011-09-21T13:16:27.917+03:002011-09-21T13:16:27.917+03:00I live in Modiin and a member of the list. Yes we ...I live in Modiin and a member of the list. Yes we have our fair share of loony lefties here, but there are more nationalistic and/or religious than it seems. Whenever an issue comes up that requires comment from a religious/nationalistic perspective, we generally get cut off from publication of those post from the moderators. Their view is that they want it to be strictly about Modiin and once it takes any broader dimensions they end the dialog. It does get frustrating at times as nationalistic/religious topics do affect Modiin residents.Yonatannoreply@blogger.com