tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post7457525262777230169..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Who said?Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72962432913947273702011-10-17T11:34:24.646+02:002011-10-17T11:34:24.646+02:00Jeremy: Actually, immediately after the 6 Day war,...Jeremy: Actually, immediately after the 6 Day war, B-G quickly shot from the hip (apparently in response to Avneri's publicized plan the day before) and said Israel should give away the captured lands in exchange for "True Peace". <br /><br />Yet, his vision of "True Peace" though was actual friendship, not a cold peace treaty.<br /><br />But then he completely recanted the above statement after visiting the territories, and those statements I included above in the post were part of that recanting he repeatedly made over the years.<br /><br />Other statements he made after his initial misstatement also included: "Even for a True Peace he would not give away Ramat HaGolan or Jerusalem". This statement he made after flying over the Golan for the first time with Ezer Wietzman.<br /><br />So you were quoting a statement he made that he afterwards regretted and spoke and acted to fix.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-84714462028579045972011-10-17T10:23:14.232+02:002011-10-17T10:23:14.232+02:00I have now doubt that if BG was alive today and st...I have now doubt that if BG was alive today and still in politics he would allign himself with the politcal left and probably be a very good prime minister who would have come to an agreement with the Palestinians a long time ago. <br /><br />Like many leaders as times change so do their viewpoints. The world of today is very different to what it was 40 or 50 years ago and you cant continue holding on to what was. <br /><br />As a matter of fact, after the Six-Day War, Ben-Gurion was in favour of returning all the occupied territories apart from Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and Mount Hebron.Jeremynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-63033851192483620602011-10-17T03:34:15.823+02:002011-10-17T03:34:15.823+02:00I think "quintessential" is a better wor...I think "quintessential" is a better word that "stereotypical".<br /><br />B-G would be angry at the positions of the Left today, as well as those that try to place him in their camp.<br /><br />Until the article in Makor Rishon last weekend which highlighted many more of his actions and statements, I thought the same about him simply because that is how he is portrayed by the Left today, despite what he actually said and did. <br /><br />(For that matter, after a visit once to his museum, I walked out of the movie thinking how the museum tried to portray him as the Messiah).JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-12363568343086483952011-10-17T03:12:54.557+02:002011-10-17T03:12:54.557+02:00In his day, to say that someone like B-G was a lef...In his day, to say that someone like B-G was a leftist was to say that he espoused a socialist economic ideology. It did <i>not</i> mean that he wasn't a Zionist nationalist. B-G most certainly was. Nor did it mean that he advocated capitulating to the Arabs for the sake of a meaningless "peace" agreement. B-G didn't.<br /><br />In Israel, it is only in the last 25 years or so that being "leftist" has come to mean anti-nationalism, defeatism, and hatred of Jews who live in the Jewish heartland.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-82107279991256277602011-10-16T23:37:58.584+02:002011-10-16T23:37:58.584+02:00Ben Gurion is not characterized as a stereotypical...Ben Gurion is not characterized as a stereotypical leftist. Most of the contemporary left is embarrassed by his role in the "nakba".<br /><br />Peres (who really is a stereotypical leftist nowadays) or Rabin (who is worshipped by the leftists) would be better examples of people whose opinions were right-wing (by contemporary standards) throughout most of their life (all of it in Rabin's case).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-40007963782335563802011-10-16T20:55:55.098+02:002011-10-16T20:55:55.098+02:00Every single quote above was said and written (and...Every single quote above was said and written (and done) by none other than David Ben-Gurion.<br /><br />While often characterized today as the stereotypical Leftist, his statements and actions would hardly fit that profile. He would better be defined as Rightwing with realpolitik leanings.JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-40058949047505949082011-10-16T15:51:52.520+02:002011-10-16T15:51:52.520+02:00It has to be Haneen Zoabi.It has to be Haneen Zoabi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-43442429071555747832011-10-16T13:03:49.673+02:002011-10-16T13:03:49.673+02:00Alfred E. Neuman Z"L ?
C'mon Joe, tell us...Alfred E. Neuman Z"L ?<br />C'mon Joe, tell us already - the suspense is killing us !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-54151565553409840972011-10-16T07:31:26.074+02:002011-10-16T07:31:26.074+02:00Meir KahaneMeir KahaneMoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-54574468772637440262011-10-15T23:29:51.677+02:002011-10-15T23:29:51.677+02:00I see you also read the cover story in Makor Risho...I see you also read the cover story in <i>Makor Rishon</i>'s magazine section this week... :-)<br /><br />Hag sameach.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-65898873852557441272011-10-15T22:08:40.784+02:002011-10-15T22:08:40.784+02:00Some sleazy Israeli politician who tells everyone ...Some sleazy Israeli politician who tells everyone what they want to hear, before doing the exact opposite once in power. <br /><br />I think that covers all the bases.gregorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-46547228412478382262011-10-15T22:02:41.034+02:002011-10-15T22:02:41.034+02:00PeresPeresAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-12373862781361135342011-10-15T21:39:48.412+02:002011-10-15T21:39:48.412+02:00I suppose that those of us who read a certain news...I suppose that those of us who read a certain newspaper aren't allowed to "guess"...D.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00444398343324530769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-9947959085192149732011-10-15T20:36:31.995+02:002011-10-15T20:36:31.995+02:00#6 Ariel Sharon?#6 Ariel Sharon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72507761013700092202011-10-15T20:35:04.124+02:002011-10-15T20:35:04.124+02:00I'm going to wait until Sunday afternoon to gi...I'm going to wait until Sunday afternoon to give America a time to guess.JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-49933118218623211972011-10-15T20:28:27.501+02:002011-10-15T20:28:27.501+02:00Nu, it's after Shabboes already?Nu, it's after Shabboes already?Reuven Chaim Kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836805247888732019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-63285506748981916352011-10-15T20:25:14.352+02:002011-10-15T20:25:14.352+02:00Until now I was quite sure that those are Netanyah...Until now I was quite sure that those are Netanyahu quotes. Now, without knowing anything about his previous positions, I would even try my luck saying that it could have been... Ehud Barak. <br />Anyway, quite an exciting riddle indeed!RRhttp://freshlemons.bendetto.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-87151470644509328582011-10-15T19:26:45.494+02:002011-10-15T19:26:45.494+02:00David Ben GurionDavid Ben GurionGeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13169109978694892927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-69381865613109435002011-10-15T19:12:14.347+02:002011-10-15T19:12:14.347+02:00Anon: Good try, but not the famous person whose qu...Anon: Good try, but not the famous person whose quote I quoted.JoeSettlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-32283406379678455172011-10-14T18:10:14.490+02:002011-10-14T18:10:14.490+02:00#4:Azmi Bishara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...#4:Azmi Bishara. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIyllP7xn4MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com