tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post7618431276565938021..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: More Post Noach thoughts.Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-70583194031118777432009-10-29T14:26:45.480+02:002009-10-29T14:26:45.480+02:00Poor Lurker? Its taught all over the place that ra...Poor Lurker? Its taught all over the place that rainbows are a bad sign.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-57756085969814645922009-10-29T05:06:23.688+02:002009-10-29T05:06:23.688+02:00Poor Lurker, having grown up thinking that rainbow...Poor Lurker, having grown up thinking that rainbows are a bad sign. Its not that Noah's rainbow was the first one ever. It was special because it appeared at a very opportune time. (Just like the Red Sea split just in time. Only there weren't any fruit trees sticking out of the sides of the rainbow).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-10579243948185608202009-10-29T03:00:23.007+02:002009-10-29T03:00:23.007+02:00rashi is not disagreeing with the mishna. the mis...rashi is not disagreeing with the mishna. the mishna is implying that the rainbow appeared for the first time in noah's day. ramban says, no, it was built into nature as a phenomenon that happened before noah too. ramban is disagreeing with chazal here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-40026241565794238772009-10-29T00:01:36.714+02:002009-10-29T00:01:36.714+02:00The difference between Yom Kippur and the rainbow ...The difference between Yom Kippur and the rainbow is that on Yom Kippur, we hope that H-shem will forgive us, as we have worked and worked on teshuva and improving ourselves.<br />Regarding the rainbow, it's a negative sign, because H-shem had previously promised Noach that He would never again destroy the world-and the rainbow is symbolic of this. Meaning that H-shem shows a rainbow when He wants to destroy the world but previously promised Noach that this would never occur henceforth. <br />On Yom Kippur we improve ourselves and do teshuva and because of our effort and sincere regeret over our sins, we hope H-shem will forgive us. We don't see anything like this by a rainbow.H-shem WANTS to destroy us but can't because of a previous 'vow'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-15716561750032941412009-10-28T22:58:20.910+02:002009-10-28T22:58:20.910+02:00Just like on Yom Echad EVERYTHING was created, but...Just like on Yom Echad EVERYTHING was created, but only later (Yom Sheni, etc.) were the details brought into fruition/reality; such as rain only after Adam davened for it, and of course, Moshiach who will only appear when 'the time is right'. And as you noted, those 10 items were created during the six days, but actually they only appeared for the FIRST time much later on.<br /><br />So in defense of Rashi (as if he needs me to defend) I posit that the rainbow only appeared for the FIRST TIME because of Noah and Hashem's pledge (even tho it was created much earlier). Midrash Rabbah says that it didn't appear before Noah's time.<br /><br />I don't think the Mishna is rejecting Rashi's idea, it's only how it is being read. Actually, both are correct, if you widen your perspective.<br /><br />PS Should you even think so, please forgive me for treading into man's territory.Neshamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06326762185596512130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-43178425169389098662009-10-28T21:59:46.656+02:002009-10-28T21:59:46.656+02:00I don't think so. On the contrary the ramban s...I don't think so. On the contrary the ramban says reluctantly that the rainbow had appeared previously because it seems to contradict this chazal. I.e. the rainbow was built into nature but had never appeared before, just as a talking donkey never appeared before bilaam's donkey appeared, and there was no manna prior to being seen in the desert, and etc these things appear as miracles but were created as per avos - the interpretation here is influenced by rambam but is implying in any case that these are first time appearances. The ramban is saying contra chazal that the rainbow did appear previously. the mishna is explaining MIRACLES built into nature (as per rambam) - ramban is saying this is a natural event and you can create a rainbow yourself since its just a natural processAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com