tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post8130825472496875201..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Find the Historical ErrorsJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-32866249602375709022012-07-05T14:57:38.721+03:002012-07-05T14:57:38.721+03:00Another error. The architecture is all wrong for ...Another error. The architecture is all wrong for the era. As is the clothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-49604758170029174742012-07-04T11:30:08.567+03:002012-07-04T11:30:08.567+03:00The above article, coming as it is to correct fact...The above article, coming as it is to correct facts, fails to give proper weight to various developments relevant to the subject at hand -- the revival of the Hebrew language. In contrast, Ora used the comic to discuss the population of Jerusalem in the 19th century. But this is not relevant to the revival of the Hebrew language. <br /><br />Ora discusses the newspapers in Jerusalem prior to Ben Yehuda, but fails to mention that these were influenced by the Hebrew newspapers that began to appear in Europe a decade beforehand - Hamagid came out starting in 1856 in Prussia. She also fails to give proper credit to the Haskala movement in Europe for its Hebrew literature. There was nothing altogether new in the Hebrew newspapers in Jerusalem. Only that Jerusalem began to participate in these publications alongside Europe.<br /> <br />Ora credits the "Old Yishuv" with establishing those newspapers as if to revive the language. The fact is that the leadership of the "Old Yishuv", headed by Shmuel Salant, the chief of the Ashkenazi community, refused to support Ben Yehuda publicly. Besides being suspicious of anything related to Ben Yehuda, they did not want to endorse the use of Hebrew in secular daily speech. In fact, to this day, Ben Yehuda's apartment in Mea Shearim remains unmarked as a historical location despite attempts to do so. They even got the authorities to arrest Ben Yehuda. R' Chayim Hirschensohn who worked with Ben Yehuda and established with him the "Safa Brura" society, was ex-communicated (Herem) and was forced to leave the country. The Ashkenazi Old Yishuv called it the "Safa Blula" society and Shmuel Salant is said to have compared Ben Yehuda and the Hebrew language to wine -- "Just as good wine, if touched by a heretic is forbidden, so too is the holy tongue." <br /><br />Ora also claims that the first Hebrew school was founded by the people of the Old Yishuv. She is talking about Frumkin's school in Petah Tikva which began operating with 5 students in 1884. However, the commonly accepted school to be the first to teach in Hebrew was the Haviv school in Rishon LeZion, founded in 1887. Eliezer Troppe, himself from Petah Tikva and a historian of Petah Tikva, apparently places the first class in Hebrew in Frumkin's school in 1889. <br /><br />In any case, aside from nitpicking two years here or there between the Moshavot, it is in fact the Moshavot such as Petah Tikva and Rishon LeZion, but also others, where the first schools to teach in Hebrew were found. Jerusalem had to wait until 1913 for its first Hebrew school. In my view, this makes the Moshavot the place where Hebrew was first truly revived. Not Tel Aviv as the comic would have you believe, nor Jerusalem as Ora would have you believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-73605227068590458152012-07-03T08:43:32.644+03:002012-07-03T08:43:32.644+03:00is it possible that the waiter's name is "...is it possible that the waiter's name is "gershon" to bring to mind "garcon," the French word for waiter (and one of the only French words I know)? <br /><br />I think that comics are a great vehicle for endearing history or any other area of learning to the younger set, even though plenty of innacuracies make their way in. <br /><br />I also think it's okay for grownups to nitpick like you did here:-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-6032202891850068132012-07-02T14:28:22.483+03:002012-07-02T14:28:22.483+03:00We all know that shimon peres instructs all that w...We all know that shimon peres instructs all that we shouldn't pay too much attention to history, all those details and dates and numbers...Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-24918525161263318592012-07-02T14:01:25.879+03:002012-07-02T14:01:25.879+03:00@Yoni - the first Hebrew language papers were esta...@Yoni - the first Hebrew language papers were established by "Old Yishuv" people a couple of decades before Ben Yehuda showed up. The minute you write and read news and editorials in Hebrew, you're not treating Hebrew as a dead or holy-only language.<br /><br />The first Hebrew language school was also established by "Old Yishuv" people.<br /><br />I'm not claiming Ben Yehuda did nothing, but he didn't do everything.Orahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10795978245007434031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-55585960957382365332012-07-02T13:09:27.802+03:002012-07-02T13:09:27.802+03:00Tel aviv was not founded until aroudn 1909, maximu...Tel aviv was not founded until aroudn 1909, maximum this is one of the neighborhoods outside of Yaffo, such as Neve zedek.kerennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1362880262260480432012-07-02T13:05:54.616+03:002012-07-02T13:05:54.616+03:00excellent, thanks. one question:
"The third ...excellent, thanks. one question:<br /><br />"The third error is that the Revival of the Hebrew Language centered in Tel Aviv. This revival occurred long before Tel Aviv was established, deep within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem, orchestrated to the most part by religious Jews."<br /><br />-source, please? i mean about the "religious jews" part.yoni beckernoreply@blogger.com