tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post8246961327223664945..comments2024-03-10T08:13:34.023+02:00Comments on The Muqata: The JBlogosphere Community?Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-16672171835546401772008-08-31T00:08:00.000+03:002008-08-31T00:08:00.000+03:00I'm pretty new on the blog-block, and I started bl...I'm pretty new on the blog-block, and I started blogging to get back to writing, and soon discovered that writing is nothing without reading, just as talking is worthless if you don't know how to listen.<BR/><BR/>I discovered (am still discovering) a fantastic community, full of engaged people with opinions and ideas and great things to say, who made me feel welcome from my first post.<BR/><BR/>So we're all different? Fantastic! Different is interesting.<BR/><BR/>Thanks to everyone for being out there, and for the dialogue. What a great community!A Living Nadneydahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14365370597831368062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-14020227674047686732008-08-29T17:56:00.000+03:002008-08-29T17:56:00.000+03:00To share views and exchange information.I understa...To share views and exchange information.<BR/><BR/>I understand your argument that there is an implication of a community here.<BR/><BR/>But I see nothing which refutes Gil's view.<BR/><BR/>I only see a variety of views of how people identify and how they identify a particular group of people.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I DO identify the JBlogospere as a community,...for myself, and I identify as a member.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-32815562669568501912008-08-29T17:52:00.000+03:002008-08-29T17:52:00.000+03:00sorry, jewish bloggers/jblogosphere really doesn't...sorry, jewish bloggers/jblogosphere really doesn't make that much of a difference. The question was whether there is a community or not. A convention implies that the people attending share something (not necessarily that they all agree or approve of each other). Otherwise, why would the people who came bother attending?Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-42594638732538906902008-08-29T17:25:00.000+03:002008-08-29T17:25:00.000+03:00I'm not so sure about that.If I remember correctly...I'm not so sure about that.<BR/><BR/>If I remember correctly, this was a Jewish Bloggers conference, not a Jewish Blogosphere conference, nor a Jewish Blogging Community conference.<BR/><BR/>Gil is Jewish and a blogger.<BR/><BR/>What's the problem?<BR/><BR/>Not everyone identifies in the same way.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://esseragaroth.blogspot.com/2008/08/vindicated.html" REL="nofollow">Vindicated!</A>Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-22465555480357693732008-08-29T17:07:00.000+03:002008-08-29T17:07:00.000+03:00BY: It's one this to say "This community is not my...BY: It's one this to say "This community is not my cup of tea" and bow out. <BR/><BR/>It's quite another to accept an invitation to speak at a convention and declare that there is "No such thing as a jblogosphere community". The first is a matter of personal choice. The second is making the choice for everyone else, yet mysteriously choosing to address this non-existent community.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-80717869546718257662008-08-29T16:52:00.000+03:002008-08-29T16:52:00.000+03:00B"HI think this question can be answered in a more...B"H<BR/><BR/>I think this question can be answered in a more simple fashion.<BR/><BR/>A group is a community if the members of that group say that they are.<BR/><BR/>A member of that community is a member when s/he identifies as such.<BR/><BR/>Gil doesn't. Others do, but not all in the same way, nor to the same degree.<BR/><BR/>What's the big whoop?Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81072963899983263432008-08-29T06:27:00.000+03:002008-08-29T06:27:00.000+03:00Remember that a community isn't homogeneous. Just...Remember that a community isn't homogeneous. Just because you disagree with other members, doesn't mean you're not in the same community. No two people are identical.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-57406016157927513182008-08-27T23:37:00.000+03:002008-08-27T23:37:00.000+03:00well, as a newcomer to the 'community', i was welc...well, as a newcomer to the 'community', i was welcomed to this one as graciously as to any other. the people i've 'met' (though some i actually did meet, at the NBN event) have all been great and helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-68095387462826715872008-08-27T21:04:00.000+03:002008-08-27T21:04:00.000+03:00Yes, the J-blogosphere is a community, but in a ve...Yes, the J-blogosphere is a community, but in a very loosely held sense. It isn't the Jewishness of the bloggers or the Jewishness of the blog's content that makes for a J-blog/blogger. If those were the sole criteria then a non-Jew blogging on Jewish topics would be a J-blogger and a Jew blogging on non-Jewish topics might or might not be a J-blogger.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-86171146640401684332008-08-27T18:15:00.000+03:002008-08-27T18:15:00.000+03:00Good post, If I am allowed to express my opinion.J...Good post, If I am allowed to express my opinion.<BR/><BR/>Jewish blogosphere is a slice of Jewish community that reflect most of our ills. Including the infinite ability to fractionalize till a necessary number of micro-communities of one is created.<BR/><BR/>Haveil Havalim was created and intended as one of the means to unite us, if for an hour or two per week. Pity that a person would shun it because his/her political or religious view make in non-kosher for him/her to participate.<BR/><BR/>And re Gil Student's "Jews are a community because of a shared history and a shared religion.": this is precisely because of the history of our internal strife that he should be supportive of HH. Unfortunately, the opposite happens. Funny that...SnoopyTheGoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920565522498918323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-53481227004144792732008-08-27T14:57:00.000+03:002008-08-27T14:57:00.000+03:00Esther Kustanowitz: Can't we go back to talking a...Esther Kustanowitz: <I>Can't we go back to talking about "Serugim," now?</I><BR/><BR/>Absolutely. Just scroll up one post. :-)<BR/><BR/>And <I>Srugim</I> watchers are definitely a community.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516196101946513020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-16499574761766732972008-08-27T06:02:00.000+03:002008-08-27T06:02:00.000+03:00jblogosphere is as much my Jewish community as the...jblogosphere is as much my Jewish community as the town in which I live, which has at least half a dozen shuls. I'm on the jsphere almost daily (yes, I take shabbos off of orthoblogs, out of respect for their hosts). I don't go to shul daily. Your mileage may vary.s(b.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08633383652906692253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-75418025745963420702008-08-27T02:07:00.000+03:002008-08-27T02:07:00.000+03:00Can't we go back to talking about "Serugim," now?;...Can't we go back to talking about "Serugim," now?<BR/><BR/>;)Esther Kustanowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17598539253079410648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-30127910334477736572008-08-27T00:40:00.000+03:002008-08-27T00:40:00.000+03:00Have you seen Haim Watzman's complaint?No?Here's m...Have you seen Haim Watzman's complaint?<BR/><BR/>No?<BR/><BR/>Here's <A HREF="http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2008/08/yet-another-attack-on-jbloggers.html" REL="nofollow">my take on it</A>.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-77894653063761640562008-08-26T22:47:00.000+03:002008-08-26T22:47:00.000+03:00I'm going with community on this one. JBloggers al...I'm going with community on this one. JBloggers all have something in common. A JBlogger is not a Jewish person who blogs about technology or politics not related to the Jewish people. It is a Jewish person who blogs about things relevant to Judaism. <BR/><BR/>In community there are sub-communities and cultures as well. For example, reform jews may have their community and Orthodox Jews have their own community, and the two don't generally mix. However, when the jewish community needs to come together to protest against the treatment of jews in Russia (in the 1980s, for example), the auditorium was full of Jews from across the spectrum who came to take part in the communal event of hafgana.rockofgalileehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07939653236475167491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-34915871365868298332008-08-26T20:02:00.001+03:002008-08-26T20:02:00.001+03:00http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-jblogging-...<A HREF="http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-jblogging-community-or-lack-thereof.html" REL="nofollow">http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-jblogging-community-or-lack-thereof.html</A>Gil Studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12776831546758682126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-91064750590226101782008-08-26T20:02:00.000+03:002008-08-26T20:02:00.000+03:00My post on the subject: http://hirhurim.blogspot.c...My post on the subject: http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-jblogging-community-or-lack-thereof.htmlGil Studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12776831546758682126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-36101051524377208012008-08-26T18:50:00.000+03:002008-08-26T18:50:00.000+03:00superraizy - I hate to break this to you but bibi'...superraizy - I hate to break this to you but bibi's ghostwriter seems to be just that. The article about the convention on the <A HREF="http://www.netanyahu.org.il/page2.asp?topic_id=87&topic2_id=301&sub_topic_id=1" REL="nofollow">Bibi Blog</A> is from a ynet article by Adar Shalev.<BR/>I find myself finding merit in both sides of the issue. I especially agree with Gil that we should not let the Goyim define us. It seems to me that there is a spectrum to any so called community - from one which is loosely connected to one which is tightly knit. I think that the members of any community will form that community with whatever strength of cohesion suits them. <BR/>I hope that's somewhat coherent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217783969690894498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-48404007545312325682008-08-26T17:42:00.000+03:002008-08-26T17:42:00.000+03:00Communities are also part of one's state of mind, ...Communities are also part of one's state of mind, not only ethnic/religious or based on a historical group of individuals.<BR/><BR/>JBlogging, in my mind, is considered community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26773781243803231782008-08-26T16:20:00.000+03:002008-08-26T16:20:00.000+03:00To me, a community is a bunch of people who care a...To me, a community is a bunch of people who care about each other. I don't think I felt like part of a community a year ago when I just started blogging. But now I do. I wonder if someone is okay if they haven't posted in a while. I think building community take time. I am starting to think of this motley crew as friends, and as time goes on, I assume this will increase.<BR/><BR/>In any case, you guys are the only people I can discuss the latest episode of Srugim with. Last night's episode was particularly intriguing, so I am waiting for you to kick off the discussion, Jameel. (Eat your heart out, LOZ).<BR/><BR/>Commenter Abbi's idea to live blog it is a fun idea, I wouldn't mind doing it if she can't or writing up a critque after the episode, just let me know if you need it and how to post it.Bailahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14115498582378133552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-74452228443502147282008-08-26T14:34:00.000+03:002008-08-26T14:34:00.000+03:00Jack: I'm not comfortable allowing antisemites to ...Jack: I'm not comfortable allowing antisemites to become our halachic authorities, but that is entirely beside the point. I'm not excluding anyone from the Jewish community.<BR/><BR/>Tobie: That question makes way too much sense. I can't handle it.Gil Studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12776831546758682126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-23450654395445444182008-08-26T14:31:00.000+03:002008-08-26T14:31:00.000+03:00Okay, can I be the annoying person to ask what on ...Okay, can I be the annoying person to ask what on earth the <I>nafka mina</I> is? I mean, are there normative implications to either decision? Is we are a community, does that justify/necessitate more interaction? Is it just a question of how people prefer to self-identify?Tobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14930468887760990485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-71343608494600143932008-08-26T12:51:00.000+03:002008-08-26T12:51:00.000+03:00Commenter Abbi: go to blogger.com and log in!(And ...Commenter Abbi: go to blogger.com and log in!<BR/><BR/>(And Gil, I appreciate your dropping by and commenting!)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-74030264374383649642008-08-26T12:03:00.000+03:002008-08-26T12:03:00.000+03:00whatever the 'Jblogosphere' is I am glad to have f...whatever the 'Jblogosphere' is I am glad to have found it and be a part of it and met so many great ppl via this medium.Sarah Likes Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15055831838215589183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-80529036427342249302008-08-26T11:25:00.000+03:002008-08-26T11:25:00.000+03:00OK, I was pointed this way by Chavi on her blog. ...OK, I was pointed this way by Chavi on her blog. <BR/><BR/>I didn't attend the Convention, I'm new to blogging and new to Judaism HOWEVER I thought that Jack's comment was quite right - those who hate Jews will lump all of us together as if we all behave/think/act in the same way. <BR/><BR/>Any group of people that is considered different will always suffer from that kind of treatment - Roma, gays, left-handed people (in England us left-handers were thought to be witches in the middle-ages).<BR/><BR/>So we can kvetch about it all we like (or even restrain ourselves to a civilised discussion!) but whatever we think from within, many others will treat us as if we are all one homogenous group.<BR/><BR/>Just my thoughts, anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com