tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post8973152164225851859..comments2024-03-10T08:13:34.023+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Day 13 of the War, Thursday, January 8, 2009Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-27322978467742175462009-01-08T23:09:00.000+02:002009-01-08T23:09:00.000+02:00Update: UNSC passes resolution that "stresses the ...Update: UNSC passes resolution that "stresses the urgency of an immediate, durable and fully respected cease-fire." The security council expressed "grave concern at the escalation of violence and the deterioration of the situation in Gaza and southern Israel."<BR/><BR/>I hadn't realized that successful progress toward vital strategic objectives defines the word "deterioration." :|Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67673586541116226662009-01-08T22:57:00.000+02:002009-01-08T22:57:00.000+02:00Update: Arabs in Yafo riot. Stones and glass bottl...Update: Arabs in Yafo riot. Stones and glass bottles thrown at the Democratic School. Reports of damage but no injuries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-25164489267075275652009-01-08T22:53:00.001+02:002009-01-08T22:53:00.001+02:00Released for publication: Captain Omer Rabinovitch...Released for publication: Captain Omer Rabinovitch, a"h.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-81975059915718181382009-01-08T22:53:00.000+02:002009-01-08T22:53:00.000+02:00"9:55 PM The mother of IDF solider, Nitai Stern wh...<I>"9:55 PM The mother of IDF solider, Nitai Stern who was killed in Gaza by friendly fire (an errant tank shell), says today that she embraces the soldiers that accidentally killed her son. Sarah Stern told President Shimon Peres today when he paid a condolence call to the family: "I want you to find the soliders that accidentally shot the tanks shells at my son, and give them this very clear message -- we embrace them and love, and we hold nothing against them" (ynet)"</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, Muqata blogger.....thank you for finding & posting this.....much balm to my heart!<BR/><BR/>sincerely, with love, & praying,<BR/>Ma SandsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-67744357424194751762009-01-08T22:49:00.000+02:002009-01-08T22:49:00.000+02:00According to Wiki the SA-7 is easily defeated by f...According to Wiki the SA-7 is easily defeated by flares, etc. Perhaps that's why we see Apache's firing off multiple flares over Gaza. It's also not very successful in downing aircraft, but causes some damage. It would seem it's not such a terrible helo-killer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56863126060815752009-01-08T22:29:00.000+02:002009-01-08T22:29:00.000+02:00Correction to previous update about attack in Lod:...Correction to previous update about attack in Lod: Arutz Sheva reports that Arab youths threw pipebombs, not flares. No injuries reported.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-88257206524232422402009-01-08T22:11:00.000+02:002009-01-08T22:11:00.000+02:00Update: Terrorist attempts arson in Lod; throws fl...Update: Terrorist attempts arson in Lod; throws flares into a resident's yard. (source: rotter)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-42845927754409254132009-01-08T21:45:00.000+02:002009-01-08T21:45:00.000+02:00Update: Arabs firebomb Border Police vehicle near ...Update: Arabs firebomb Border Police vehicle near Maaleh Adumim. No injuries reported. (Arutz Sheva)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-45126997918342022112009-01-08T20:05:00.000+02:002009-01-08T20:05:00.000+02:00fauxtograph?http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Israeli-...fauxtograph?<BR/><BR/>http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Israeli-troops-invade-Gaza/ss/events/wl/122708gazastrike#photoViewer=/090108/481/87571d679e654a3cbf6f3f14de83265dAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-27225181061394022152009-01-08T18:46:00.000+02:002009-01-08T18:46:00.000+02:00Shalom Adham; Tell me, as a rational thinking pers...Shalom Adham; Tell me, as a rational thinking person you claim you are, can you please tell me what solution you propose to an entity that gets shelled everyday?<BR/><BR/>Are they supposed to allow their population to be shelled every day in the name of peace?<BR/><BR/>Hamas refuses to recognize Israel, they kidnap Israeli soldiers from within Israel, and launch daily rocket attacks against Israel.<BR/><BR/>Tell me -- what is your rational solution?Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-10317766301799504802009-01-08T18:32:00.000+02:002009-01-08T18:32:00.000+02:00OK , you think I'm a dirty terrorist , but i know ...OK , you think I'm a dirty terrorist , but i know that not all the Jews are that " Dogma " like you .<BR/>well , I'm a filmmaker .. i don't even know how to use a gun ..my grandmother is Jewish , her name is Zelda and she is a proud 94 years old Egyptian , writing poetry till now , in Arabic and Hebrew " she taught me Hebrew " , and she is weeping every day for the innocent dead people " both sides " , and she is putting " Dalia Rabecovich's" photo in her room. i don't think you know the great Israeli poet Dalia.<BR/>so , now you know I'm not a terrorist or racist and i already know that not all Jews are fanatics and Zionists. Jews held the culture of the world on their shoulders for centuries and now Zionists like you are destroying any chance of peace.. and that doesn't mean I'm pro Hamas . they are deceiving 18 years old kiddos by the name of Islam while Israel is doing the same by the name of Judaism..Hamas are killers , and the stupid fanatics in Israel are murderers too .<BR/>i think you understand me now.and i think we can talk now without words like " ignorant Arab " or " half mean Jew " <BR/><BR/>AdhamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-16940748341647979842009-01-08T15:45:00.000+02:002009-01-08T15:45:00.000+02:00Guys! We need a translation of that al-jazeera vid...Guys! We need a translation of that al-jazeera video!Ye'he Sh'mey Raba Mevorachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10880916203103730085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-9008848514877688232009-01-08T11:38:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:38:00.000+02:00Size Does MatterJonathan FeldsteinKeeping Score on...Size Does Matter<BR/>Jonathan Feldstein<BR/>Keeping Score on the Sidelines<BR/>No1abba@gmail.com <BR/><BR/>Since the beginning of Israel’s “Operation Cast Lead,” many people have e-mailed to ask if we were OK, wondering what our perspective on the current violence is. I have also spent considerable time talking with my kids who have become increasingly interested in the news and are increasingly worried as friends’ brothers and fathers have been called up into reserves to defend Israel’s security, putting themselves in harm’s way. Only in Israel less than 5 years, we are not immune to the losses people have suffered, not in the past years, and not this week when the cousin/nephew of one of my kid’s friends/teachers was among the casualties. <BR/><BR/>We have watched Israeli TV, CNN and Fox, France TV, BBC and Sky News, and even Al Jazeera in English, as well as listened to the radio religiously whenever in the car. We have discussed the current situation from many perspectives and I always try to help my kids understand the current situation in the context of Israel’s history, and the challenge of the past 60 years to defend ourselves and preserve our freedom. Sometimes, my kids ask questions to which I do not have good answers. All this has raised many new questions. <BR/><BR/>For instance, in the past two weeks, there has been a great talk of “proportionality” as it relates to Israel’s operation. Why is it that this has been a lead topic on any number of news stories, or a significant topic at all? But if it is the case, it begs further questioning, not just taking the Arab party line at face value. <BR/><BR/>Many questions need to be asked. How do we measure proportionality? Is it on a per capita basis? By number of deaths? And when do we start measuring these? From December 27, 2008? That’s very subjective. Why not from 2000 when Hamas and others started firing rockets at Israel? <BR/><BR/>If those who are focused on proportionality think that things in war should be equal, this begs the question whether Israel should respond with the same number of rockets, 7000-8000. Should these rockets be fired indiscriminately at Palestinian population centers as Hamas does at Israel? Or should they only be fired at places from which Hamas fires at Israel, where Hamas stores its weapons, where its leaders take cover, and in which they are holed up, even if these are all often in densely populated areas among civilians? And if Israel were to respond indiscriminately like Hamas does, would that be OK in the context of proportionality, or would Israel be blamed further? <BR/><BR/>And why not count the number of deaths and injuries that Hamas and other Arab and Islamic terrorists have inflicted since 2000? Why not count the sum of all the casualties from all the terrorist attacks including the rocket fire, suicide bombings, etc? Is the value of an Israeli life worth less than that of an Arab life? Or do we just expect Arabs to attack Israelis, and Israelis to have to suffer in silence as the norm, the world order? <BR/><BR/>If these are all considered proportionally, we’ll see how well Israel has restrained itself over the years, and see how Israel’s response now has not yet come close to the proportional numbers that Hamas and friends have inflicted upon Israel all these years, not by any measure, not even close. <BR/><BR/>I have a feeling that if Israel were firing indiscriminately, or even targeting civilians, we’d have a death toll in the thousands or tens of thousands. Does anyone understand that 600 or 700 casualties out of 1.5 million is proof that Israel is specifically targeting the terrorists and not civilians? Why is it that the terrorists are hiding and taking cover among civilians, in schools, hospitals and mosques? And why is it that the terrorists don’t wear uniforms? Is it to make it very convenient to count a dead terrorist among the civilians, even if he was killed with a rocket launcher in his hands?<BR/><BR/>Also, as long as we’re talking numbers, how do we know that Hamas is even telling the truth about the casualties? We have seen Palestinians blatantly lie about the number of casualties in the past in order to give Israel a black eye in the world media time and again. All we have is their “reporting” to go by. All we have is their pictures to go by. How is it that Palestinian film crews conveniently happen to be present they allege Israel commits an “atrocity?” How is it that the camera man always seems to get the best angles, even though supposedly among fire? Could these be staged? Lies? Heaven forbid. <BR/><BR/>Has anyone looked closely that actual casualties are not being double counted? Has anyone looked carefully to see that the bodies being displayed were not killed on the spot where they are grotesquely being filmed? Where’s all the blood that would be spilled from these horrible injuries? Not on the ground next to the bodies. What’s that about? <BR/><BR/>Has anyone considered that Hamas may be using the limited fuel they claim they have to truck bodies from one place to another and count them multiple times? Or that they’re not doing now again what they’ve done before, using live bodies to pretend that there are more casualties? How do we know what they’re telling us is even remotely true? Is this anything more than a staged assembly line of “victims” paraded before the world like floats in the Macys Thanksgiving Parade? Is it all just good acting and giving the cameras a picture that the world is waiting to believe? <BR/><BR/>Why should we doubt that Hamas is telling the truth? As much as Hamas is a world leader in terrorism, they are also a world leader in deception. This is the same Hamas that staged a needing in a “dark” room, with curtains drawn and candles lit to “blame” Israel for alleged electricity shortages. Is it unimaginable that they would blatantly lie about the number of casualties, especially when nobody is there to check their math, the same way they lied about the sun shining into their dark meeting? <BR/><BR/>What is Hamas after all? They are a terrorist group opposed to any recognition of Israel or its right to exist. They claim to lead and represent the Palestinian people, but their leaders are hiding like rats in a sewer trying to save themselves rather than protect their people. <BR/><BR/>They deliberately place civilians at risk both by using population centers for cover, and by having their terror war against Israel take greater priority than taking care of the civilians. <BR/><BR/>They took over Gaza 19 months ago in a violent bloody coup, ousting the elected PA from control, killing and injuring dozens of their supporters. This is something they still do today, terrorizing and arresting supporters of the elected leadership of the PA in order to prevent the PA from taking control again. <BR/><BR/>They have been using an entire network of tunnels to smuggle weapons in to build a means to continue to confront and terrorize Israel, rather than using these tunnels to bring in food, clothing, books, medical supplies, etc. They have wreaked havoc on their people who have the poor luck of living under their control, under their iron fist. <BR/><BR/>The Palestinians of Gaza are no better under cynical Hamas domination than they are with the UN spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year to keep the refugees conveniently and artificially living in squalor. Why have neither spent a fraction of the money they spend to keep the Palestinians down on building for their future? Why is building their future less important than destroying ours? <BR/><BR/>Don’t get me wrong. As a husband and father, the loss of one civilian is a great tragedy. How is it that the Palestinians continually allow their leaders to place their children in harm’s way? How is it that a parent would tolerate this? Golda Meir had an answer. The Arabs must learn to love their children more than they hate ours. <BR/><BR/>So how are we? Physically, we’re fine. But I am dismayed that we have to continue to defend ourselves, to put ourselves in harm’s way to fight back an enemy that still wants to push us into the sea. I am worried for my friends and neighbors whose sons and husbands have gone off to defend our country, again. My optimism that there can or will be peace has been deflated. I am resigned to the fact that maybe peace is no more than a dream, a fantasy. But I am resolved that if fighting back is what it will take, against this or any other enemy, we will do so. We will continue to live free in our own country, hoping, praying, maybe naively, that there will be peace one day, but prepared to overcome our enemies at the drop of a hat, or a katyusha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-23948200602408222792009-01-08T11:26:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:26:00.000+02:00"Meanwhile police and Army are stating it was a fa..."Meanwhile police and Army are stating it was a false alarm."<BR/><BR/>Yes, there is certainly no confusion that that is what they are stating. :\Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-7674531620454015912009-01-08T11:21:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:21:00.000+02:00TJ thanks for the information. Meanwhile police an...TJ thanks for the information. Meanwhile police and Army are stating it was a false alarmLitvshehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16298062565136162359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-9483254740481349822009-01-08T11:13:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:13:00.000+02:00Update: There is currently a great deal of confusi...Update: There is currently a great deal of confusion in the media regarding whether there was an additional rocket barrage in the North.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-48906861648463837482009-01-08T11:07:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:07:00.000+02:00Update: The terrorist who tried to blow up the gas...Update: The terrorist who tried to blow up the gas station in Maaleh Adumim was an Israeli Arab who worked there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-87849942378921189732009-01-08T11:04:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:04:00.000+02:00Updates: Arab woman terrorist in Arad attacked an ...Updates: Arab woman terrorist in Arad attacked an Israeli with a hammer. He was lightly wounded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-57209029520835716632009-01-08T11:00:00.000+02:002009-01-08T11:00:00.000+02:00anonymous: Where else would you dirty terrorists g...anonymous: Where else would you dirty terrorists get your virgins from if you weren't using them as human shields?<BR/><BR/>Oh wait? Are your 7 year olds still virgins? Looks like they're married already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-17755320098181832542009-01-08T10:55:00.000+02:002009-01-08T10:55:00.000+02:00כל הכבוד לצה"ל על היצרתייות ברצח הפעוטים והנשים בה...כל הכבוד לצה"ל על היצרתייות ברצח הפעוטים והנשים בהריון<BR/>ועל יכולתו להגדיל שנאת העולם לישראל ומעשיה,<BR/>ורק שתדעו שהעם הפלסטיני היום יותר חזק ולא תוכלו להשמיד אותו<BR/>נכון שהרגתם עד עכשיו 700 בני אדם אלא עוד שנה תראו 7000 פעוטים חדשים<BR/>נתחתן ב 4 נשים ונביא לעולם 20 ילדיםAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-12220687012183584062009-01-08T09:46:00.000+02:002009-01-08T09:46:00.000+02:00Maybe it was caused by someone talking on their ce...Maybe it was caused by someone talking on their cellphone while filling up their car. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-69291572070337928312009-01-08T09:45:00.000+02:002009-01-08T09:45:00.000+02:00Update: PFLP spokesman refuses to take responsibil...Update: PFLP spokesman refuses to take responsibility for the rocket attacks in the North. (arbnews)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-56207193015530159072009-01-08T09:39:00.000+02:002009-01-08T09:39:00.000+02:00Jameel: There was a huge gas station fire in Givat...Jameel: There was a huge gas station fire in Givat Shaul just last week, IIRC. Givat Shaul and Har Nof were covered in smoke.<BR/><BR/>Coincidence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26583808063376298032009-01-08T09:27:00.000+02:002009-01-08T09:27:00.000+02:00There is widespread speculation that the PFLP is r...There is widespread speculation that the PFLP is responsible for the rockets in the North. They have been threatening to attack Israel, but no one really knows yet who launched the rockets. UNIFIL says that they are opening an "official investigation" into the matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-58297546287665656862009-01-08T09:17:00.000+02:002009-01-08T09:17:00.000+02:00Update: IDF has been engaging terrorist combatants...Update: IDF has been engaging terrorist combatants in the Kissufim area over the past hour. One soldier was wounded and transported to Soroka in Be'er Sheva. (source: rotter)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com