tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post9101570807870472218..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Lag BaOmer: targetting Obama and DovBearJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-44634209360744247352010-05-11T22:55:01.556+03:002010-05-11T22:55:01.556+03:00Comment #100.
Woo hoo!<b>Comment #100.</b><br /><br />Woo hoo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-44938171581815226442010-05-10T18:43:42.623+03:002010-05-10T18:43:42.623+03:00Jameel, can I ask you a question?
Do you honestly ...Jameel, can I ask you a question?<br />Do you honestly believe that someone who doesn't already know who you are could have figured out your identity from what I posted?<br />Also, if I was trying to "out" you, don't you think it would have been easy for me to do?<br />I guess I don't know internet anonymous blogger etiquette, but obviously outing you is something I wasn't attempting to do. <br />I would suggest this, regarding your comment section. You have always been a relatively reasonable person, but the comments you choose not to expurgate vs. the ones you do choose to remove say a lot about where you are today.<br />As an old rebbe of mine (and yours) used to say: If you hang out in a fish market, you're going to come out smelling like fish."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-26336480711894523942010-05-10T18:21:28.784+03:002010-05-10T18:21:28.784+03:00I apologize if my comments seemed like they were o...I apologize if my comments seemed like they were outing a blogger. My intention was the opposite. I posted an obscure fact about Jameel's street from childhood and 2 letters of a sibling's name. If that outs him, then you must truly have people scouring the internet for clues to your identity.<br />Again, you misunderstood my intentions. I merely wanted to settle this odd debate about who I was. I thought that would put it to rest for Jameel, and he could clarify it to his readers. It never occurred to me that conspiracy theorists could then say "Oh, Dovbear has found out personal details about Jameel..."<br />Again, my apologies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-34933023615982532372010-05-10T17:54:53.015+03:002010-05-10T17:54:53.015+03:00For the record:
I honestly do not believe that Do...For the record:<br /><br /><i>I honestly do not believe that DovBear is the "anonymous childhood friend"</i><br /><br />Yet whoever it is, its rather poor form to try and publicly "out" a blogger.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1061528298947124052010-05-10T02:28:45.592+03:002010-05-10T02:28:45.592+03:00I'm here again, against my better judgment, to...I'm here again, against my better judgment, to plead with all of you to believe that I have not posted on this thread with any name other than DovBear. I don't know any private information about Jameel, and if I did I wouldn't dream of posting it here. I am not the person calling himself an old friend of Jameel, and I feel frustrated and powerless that there seems to be no way to prove it conclusively.<br /><br />Please believe me.<br /><br />Also, Fred: BOTH is his own man, and he and I have not been in communication about this post. Whatever he wrote came from his own head and heart.DovBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13300090924998038181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-18340834171891825512010-05-09T16:20:00.301+03:002010-05-09T16:20:00.301+03:00To "Anonymous Old Friend of Jameel who post c...To "Anonymous Old Friend of Jameel who post comments from a different IP address than that of DovBear"<br /><br />I'm sorry I had to delete your comment, but posting "outting/private" information on the blog is forbidden.<br /><br />Regardless, I suggest you re-read the update I posted in the text of the post.<br /><br /><b>Update: Since the language of this posting was obviously not clear enough for everyone, I guess I will have to clearly "SPELL IT OUT".<br /><br />This blog does not condone the burning of books, full stop.<br /><br />Burning the book of a JBlogosphere member is even worse. While I thought the comment "Truly Sick" was obvious enough to express my disgust with the burning of the "DovBear on the Parsha" book, reviewed and endorsed here by Rabbi E. Fink, and available for purchase here for only $20.99 (ships in 3-5 business days), apparently, it was not enough.<br /><br />For the record, The Muqata does not endorse this book, nor was this advertisement paid for by anyone (I know I didn't receive any money for it)<br /><br />If you think that publishing these photos means actually advocating the burning of books, I suggest you find a good psychotherapist.<br /><br />Good Day.<br /><br />The Muqata Management</b><br /><br />I'm sorry you feel that that "empowers" the book burners.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-75609717491237307672010-05-09T01:25:19.677+03:002010-05-09T01:25:19.677+03:00To "Anonymous Old Friend of Jameel who post c...To "Anonymous Old Friend of Jameel who post comments from a different IP address than that of DovBear":<br /><br />Your most recent post removed any doubts I had that were left about you.<br /><br />Even if you imagined that posting what you did somehow proves something about who you claim to be (it does not), you could easily have done it by sending a private email to Jameel. The fact that you wrote what you did publicly speaks volumes about your shameful moral values and your rank hypocrisy.<br /><br />Enough already, nobody here really cares about your desperate insistence that you are not DovBear (or, conversely, DovBear's desperate insistence that he is not him).<br /><br />Some of us are not particularly burdened by the need to spend our time scratching our heads trying to figure out who you are...Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-71944624346954240402010-05-07T19:15:37.195+03:002010-05-07T19:15:37.195+03:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-60540939849741080042010-05-05T22:13:26.087+03:002010-05-05T22:13:26.087+03:00Yes, I rewrote that comment. Finger slippage like ...Yes, I rewrote that comment. Finger slippage like you wouldn't believe.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-17172886725744986692010-05-05T22:12:33.037+03:002010-05-05T22:12:33.037+03:00The back of the hill said...
Fred, you wouldn'...The back of the hill said...<br />Fred, you wouldn't by any chance by the anonymous commenter who called me "a pseudo intellectual douche bag" on a different blog, would you?<br /><br />;-D<br /><br />What motivated my comment here was distress at seeing two people whom I like and appreciate both get involved in a spitfest over what is probably the most negative thing towards a blogger that I have as yet seen in the very narrow part of the bloggosphere I inhabit (or: 'infest').<br />Both of them are pro-Israel, both of them are good people. Both are ehrlich.<br /><br />And both of them have better things to do than hiss and yowl like angry kittens. So, come to think of it, do you.<br /><br />Quote: <b>"That has got to be the most DB-ish thing I've ever seen you write."</b> <br />From which I deduce that you have read most of my blog. <br />You don't know how much that pleases me. Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm just a grumpy Dutchman talking to myself in public and frightening children.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-41163418785046681602010-05-05T22:11:18.242+03:002010-05-05T22:11:18.242+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-2070875216494645612010-05-05T22:09:37.238+03:002010-05-05T22:09:37.238+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-51175325497513057092010-05-05T21:28:39.965+03:002010-05-05T21:28:39.965+03:00my take here:
http://innate-differences.blogspot....my take here:<br /><br />http://innate-differences.blogspot.com/2010/05/baiting-bear-trap.htmlThe Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-62963207424995583182010-05-05T17:00:47.927+03:002010-05-05T17:00:47.927+03:00Fred: Don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY...Fred: Don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-60697373372699244282010-05-05T16:52:20.991+03:002010-05-05T16:52:20.991+03:00BOTH: Jameel, please remove this comment string.
...BOTH: <i>Jameel, please remove this comment string.</i><br /><br />That's rich. In a comment thread on a post that condemned book burning, you come along and advocate censorship.<br /><br />BOTH: <i>Other than yourself and Dovbear, and one or two others, there is nothing but lashon hara here.<br />Vicious, foulmouthed, lashon hara.<br />Brad, Abbi, Fred - if the shoe fits.</i><br /><br />That has got to be the most DB-ish thing I've ever seen you write. Did he have to twist your arm to get you to post that for him, or did you do it out of the kindness of your heart? Davka from you, I would have expected better.<br /><br />So, everyone here is speaking "vicious, foulmouthed, lashon hara", but DB isn't? You must be kidding. Here are a just few choice selections from DB's comments above:<br /><br /><i>* "...get bent... You just specialize in being a bitch, for no good reason. Perhaps you're Lurker's sister."<br /><br />* "...your reputation for viciousness is well known among the bloggers, and I'm here to tell you that it doesn't do you justice. You're much worse in person."<br /><br />* "...your callous disingenuousness is one of the wonders of the world of bad manners."<br /><br />* "You... are pathologically incapable of writing a single comment without oozing contempt and animosity... you who gets off on being obnoxious..."<br /><br />* "Jameel </i>[sic]<i>... Do you agree with brad that disliking my politics and my (imaginary) rants are sufficient reason to burn a book? ... Your silence is both deafening and defining."<br /><br />* "...you're a jerk you couldn't resist feigning ignorance... Piece of work."</i><br /><br />By accusing everyone else of "vicious, foulmouthed, lashon hara", and in the same sentence, laughably exonerating DB of the same, you've completely decimated any credibility you might have had.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-76881944886517643752010-05-05T14:39:12.641+03:002010-05-05T14:39:12.641+03:00HSM: Sorry :(
There's no way in blogger to...HSM: Sorry :( <br /><br />There's no way in blogger to do that. (How I wish blogger had that option).Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-30443973826867561332010-05-05T14:37:22.897+03:002010-05-05T14:37:22.897+03:00Jameel - can you close the comment thread? this re...Jameel - can you close the comment thread? this repeated back and forth isn't constructive.HSaboMilnerhttp://hadassahsabo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-23949180888316097812010-05-05T14:35:20.972+03:002010-05-05T14:35:20.972+03:00*Insert angry obnoxious comment*
*Insert witty qui...*Insert angry obnoxious comment*<br />*Insert witty quip at a commenter*<br /><br />To be yotze not having deafening and defining silence, book burning is wrong.<br /><br />NGJameel's new friendhttp://www.frumsatire.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-2830426309297217162010-05-05T12:51:38.046+03:002010-05-05T12:51:38.046+03:00Dammit, Joe- I've been arguing with you for ye...Dammit, Joe- I've been arguing with you for years and you never once wrote me a poem!!tafka ppnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-5670160488043370682010-05-05T10:51:00.035+03:002010-05-05T10:51:00.035+03:00Dear "Anonymous Old Friend of Jameel who is u...Dear "Anonymous Old Friend of Jameel who is using a different IP address than that of DovBear."<br /><br />Your last comment leaves me even more puzzled that the previous 2.<br /><br />First you say outright my posting photographs of someone burning DovBear's would lead to a legal win against me in court, based on slander.<br /><br /><i><b>"If I took this to court, I could easily win a case for slander of DB by the Muqata."</b></i><br /><br />You also suggest a boycott of the Muqata blog, which is of course, your prerogative, but doesn't hold up to the reasons you provided.<br /><br />You then accuse me of being an accessory to book burning.<br /><br /><i><b>If you publish pictures of a book burning that are taken by the actual book burner, you are an "accessory after the fact."</b></i><br /><br />You remind us all that these legal accusations (which would "clearly" win in court) are all hard, cold "facts," and not G-d forbid, your opinion.<br /><br /><i><b>Understand, I'm not inserting my opinion. I'm just telling you the way it is.</b></i><br /><br />I then provided legal definitions for "slander" as well as the necessary legal components to win a court case, and showed how my posting of these photographs could in no way be misconstrued to be considered libel.<br /><br />And then you comment again and backpedal, <b><i>"By strict legal standards, there is no libel involved..."</i></b><br /><br />I don't understand? This wasn't an open and shut case?<br /><br />So you extend your mussar message:<br /><br /><b><i>"...but by Jewish standards I can think of nothing worse. And to me, as a shomer mitzvot, that's libel."</i></b><br /><br />Libel from a Jewish Standard? Lashon Hara? How is this Lashon Hara? <br /><br />This blog in general tries to avoid lashon hara.<br /><br />Public Service Announcements for the sake of the community's safety and welfare is not lashon hara.<br /><br />Therefore, posted stories about people like R' Motti Elon...or the Burka lady...or photos of a burning a book, are important, news items, for the community to see who is living in their midst, and that they should be avoided.<br /><br />It is not embarrassing to DovBear to see his book being burned by a bunch of loonies. It is embarrassing to the burners. Do you think the loonies burning Harry Potter books are empowered for having publicly burned those books? Your average person just looked at them and said, "what a bunch of loonies"... I doubt JK Rowlings lost any sleep over it -- it probably made her chuckle.<br /><br />As I have written previously -- feel free to drop me an email privately so we can catch up on old times. I'm sorry you haven't done so already. <br /><br />Regards from Israel,<br /><br />JameelJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-73427797626537582512010-05-05T05:08:24.418+03:002010-05-05T05:08:24.418+03:00the fire burns on consuming all in its wake.the fire burns on consuming all in its wake.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-36545595545430534072010-05-05T04:15:34.966+03:002010-05-05T04:15:34.966+03:00Jameel, please remove this comment string.
Other ...Jameel, please remove this comment string.<br /><br />Other than yourself and Dovbear, and one or two others, there is nothing but lashon hara here.<br />Vicious, foulmouthed, lashon hara.<br /><br />Brad, Abbi, Fred - if the shoe fits.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-28515134631233917472010-05-05T00:45:50.039+03:002010-05-05T00:45:50.039+03:00To the "loyal reader":
Not to worry -- ...To the "loyal reader":<br /><br />Not to worry -- I am doing everything in my power to somehow refrain from thinking that.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712938121915827845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-90081021753066843042010-05-05T00:40:52.716+03:002010-05-05T00:40:52.716+03:00In deference to the request that Jameel made above...In deference to the request that Jameel made above, I want to remind everyone <i>not</i> to assume that the above comment (from the anonymous "old friend of Jameel" at 11:31 PM) was written by DovBear. Jameel is the owner of this blog, after all, and we ought to show some respect for his wishes. So as hard as it may be, everyone please stop thinking that DovBear wrote that, right now!<br /><br />Yes, Lurker, even you.A loyal readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-57884954759196485762010-05-04T23:31:00.408+03:002010-05-04T23:31:00.408+03:00Jameel, I liked your brief summary of book burning...Jameel, I liked your brief summary of book burning. Was thet meant to show that it's normal behavior? Or acceptable?<br />Of course burning books is perfectly legal and protected under the law.<br />But from a Jewish perspective, it is scurilous.<br />As you may know, The RAN" wrote a book on teshuva just to atone for the sin he committed when he allowed the burning of the Moreh Nevuchim. That burning of the Rambam's book eventually led to mass burning of the Talmud all over Europe.<br />By strict legal standards, there is no libel involved, but by Jewish standards I can think of nothing worse. And to me, as a shomer mitzvot, that's libel.<br />And again, showing pictures of the burning that are provided by the burner is tasteless, if not embarrassing, to say the least. You empower the burner.<br />You know, I stated that I was an old friend of Jameel, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with him. I offered my former history more to explain why I would read a blog where such fantastic chilul Hashem could go on in the comment section on a regular basis and no one stops it. My association is the only reason I come back to read again. I feel a connection.<br />And you can be an old friend and still know that something is wrong and protest against it.<br />Truth be told, I've never read Dov Bear. But your weird accusation that he wrote my comments just makes you all look like idiots.<br />Can't you just check my computer signature on my posts to lay that weird accusation to rest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com