tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post112885447216512208..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Refusing Disengagment Orders: The Untold StoryJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1129012355597735672005-10-11T08:32:00.000+02:002005-10-11T08:32:00.000+02:00Purpleparrot.If you are still around, read this ...Purpleparrot.<BR/><BR/>If you are still around, read <A HREF="http://cosmicx.blogspot.com/2005/09/view-from-roof-of-synagogue-in-kfar.html" REL="nofollow"> this </A> with regards to those black uniforms.<BR/><BR/>Jameel,<BR/><BR/>With regards to forgiving ... tough question.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128970783552041622005-10-10T20:59:00.000+02:002005-10-10T20:59:00.000+02:00And the soldiers who avoided duty by being abroad....And the soldiers who avoided duty by being abroad...Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128956737851931062005-10-10T17:05:00.000+02:002005-10-10T17:05:00.000+02:00My. In that respect, I can totally see why you wou...My. In that respect, I can totally see why you would sound unforgiving. Until I read your comment just now, I hadn't heard that about the Black uniforms: I'd heard and read that they wore black especially so as not to confuse the children who were used to "Green" soldiers, and thus go against the rhetoric emerging from many sources that the army was evil for following the order; and also as a sign of their overall identification with the sombre and mournful nature of such an unpleasant task. From the few soldiers I know who took part, this was definitely not something they enjoyed at all (even the ones with very lefty politics). <BR/><BR/>You are right, it has been an awful, awful year and we are all left with a lot of questions. I second your wish for a brighter future for all of us! Meantime, enjoy the Super...tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128943017333203792005-10-10T13:16:00.000+02:002005-10-10T13:16:00.000+02:00TAFKAPP: The police commanders stated that the ex...TAFKAPP: The police commanders stated that the exact intention of the black uniforms was "to put shock and awe" into the settlers/protestors. My interpretation is stated fact from the Police. I think that the order of wearing black uniforms is odious, and carrying out that order is sad. Do you disagree that I should be unforgiving -- to those that gave the order, those that carried it out, or should I forgive some/none/all?<BR/><BR/>I don't have all the answers, but this summer was mighty awful. An IDF Machat I met last week said flat out that the orders given to the IDF this summer were "arurim" - cursed. Maybe I can/should forgive the soldiers, but the politicians who gave them?<BR/><BR/>Gmar Chatima Tova to you as well, and may we merit a much better year than this past one.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128941817201020642005-10-10T12:56:00.000+02:002005-10-10T12:56:00.000+02:00"The policemen/women who wore black uniforms and c..."The policemen/women who wore black uniforms and carried riot gear to put fear into the hearts of the Jewish settlers; men, women and children"<BR/><BR/>That's a pretty unforgiving interpretation of that particular order, Jameel...<BR/><BR/>Gmar Chatima Tova.tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128939233967056752005-10-10T12:13:00.000+02:002005-10-10T12:13:00.000+02:00Reprehensible for sure.Reprehensible for sure.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128932706524338792005-10-10T10:25:00.000+02:002005-10-10T10:25:00.000+02:00CosmicX: In the original reports, they were toples...CosmicX: In the original reports, they were topless. I'm more inclined to believe the original report -- and the later one was toned down to not look as bad in the press. (Even though, IMHO, their behaviour was reprehensible, and worthy of inclusion in my list above, dontchya think?)Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128928943716406442005-10-10T09:22:00.000+02:002005-10-10T09:22:00.000+02:00Jameel,According to the link they were not topless...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>According to the link they were not topless (they wore their underwear and bras). In any case their behavior was raunchy.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128914674963723752005-10-10T05:24:00.000+02:002005-10-10T05:24:00.000+02:00Jameel,From your list of "unforgiveables" you forg...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>From your list of "unforgiveables" you forgot to mention all of the Rabbis who depend on the governemnt for their positions, their salaries, and their pensions, almost all of whom paskened that you can't refuse orders from the Gov't. Conflict of interest? Naah!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128872482653315412005-10-09T17:41:00.000+02:002005-10-09T17:41:00.000+02:00Cosmic: Here's the link:http://www.fresh.co.il/vBu...Cosmic: Here's the link:<BR/><BR/>http://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=97752&highlight=%E7%E9%E9%EC%E5%FAJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128870184661711402005-10-09T17:03:00.000+02:002005-10-09T17:03:00.000+02:00Wow, the pictures at www.NEVER4GET.net are frigh...<B> Wow, the pictures at <BR/><A HREF="http://www.NEVER4GET.net" REL="nofollow"> www.NEVER4GET.net</A> are frightening! Are they real? Scary!! </B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1128864315504515602005-10-09T15:25:00.000+02:002005-10-09T15:25:00.000+02:00I read the story too."The IDF female soldiers who ...I read the story too.<BR/><BR/>"The IDF female soldiers who sunbathed topless in Gaza settlements, while Jews were being evicted from their homes"<BR/><BR/>Wow. I did not hear about this. I find it hard to believe. What's the source for it?Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.com