tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post115926551319134568..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Merry Ramadan.Jameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159575321981618802006-09-30T03:15:00.000+03:002006-09-30T03:15:00.000+03:00Tchaikovsky says the cannon is a musical instrumen...Tchaikovsky says the cannon is a musical instrument.<BR/><BR/>BTW the shooting of guns for celebration is quite common. The French call it "feu de joie". Not uncommon in the English Army of the era (1812) either. Wellington was almost killed by a celebrant.<BR/><BR/>If the Jews weren't so nice they could go all Black September on the Palis and calm them down for decades.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159445333161355632006-09-28T15:08:00.000+03:002006-09-28T15:08:00.000+03:00frum jew,The police works differently in Israel. I...frum jew,<BR/><BR/>The police works differently in Israel. In Israel, there are no local police. The police is national. The city of Jerusalem (and any other city) does not have a police force. The national police force has stations in Jerusalem and offciers assigned there. Therefore the mayor has little control of what the police do.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159390776280264182006-09-27T23:59:00.000+03:002006-09-27T23:59:00.000+03:00Intresting blogIntresting blogA-Listhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810930966978606663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159363900404195902006-09-27T16:31:00.000+03:002006-09-27T16:31:00.000+03:00Whenever there's an arabic wedding the entire city...Whenever there's an arabic wedding the entire city is forced to suffer with the poor bride.<BR/>Luckily loade dguns are illegal to fire for, so it's just a bunch of shouting and clapping.Pragmaticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08724757238921859366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159359726975445322006-09-27T15:22:00.000+03:002006-09-27T15:22:00.000+03:00Can the cannon be fired at Lupoliansky?Can the cannon be fired at Lupoliansky?Dot Co Dot Ilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165484805388535995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159346054054672112006-09-27T11:34:00.000+03:002006-09-27T11:34:00.000+03:00sobersubmr- I was being sarcastic, trying to expre...sobersubmr- I was being sarcastic, trying to express how much I dislike the "my religion is less violent/less convoluted/better than yours" game that seemed to be developing. Unfortunately my sarcasm never comes across very well in a comments section. <BR/><BR/>Joe- well, if it works for you...tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159329406133765512006-09-27T06:56:00.000+03:002006-09-27T06:56:00.000+03:00Jameel, wasn't your mispent youth mispent here in ...Jameel, wasn't your mispent youth mispent here in the US? Don't you recall the charming urban custom of shooting guns into the air to celebrate New Years, Super Bowl victories, etc? While the only Moslems around made sure the steel shutters on their convenience stores were very tightly secured?<BR/><BR/>Obviously, as a mispent youth, you never were taught that a canon may be a musical form involving polyphony and strict repetition of the main theme, or a Christian clergyman attached to a cathedral or abbey, or an ecclestiastical law, but never involves ammunition unless the n is doubled?<BR/><BR/>And the dubbing of a knight was a military ceremony overlaid with a veneer of Christianity.kishnevihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01437400043049608843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159307073680006812006-09-27T00:44:00.000+03:002006-09-27T00:44:00.000+03:00Okay. Here I object.At the horse races, they also ...Okay. Here I object.<BR/><BR/>At the horse races, they also fire a gun to begin the race. Does that mean Americans are inundated with violence (and I'm not talking television)? <BR/><BR/>It's a symbol, this gun-shooting or canon-launching, a symbol and (please God) nothing more. Not signs of latent violence, because if you say that, you'll have to see violence everywhere. <BR/><BR/>While we're at it, just because the Jewish religion as MODERNLY practiced doesn't fire guns at the beginning of a ceremony, the ideas Judaism contains, a.k.a. erase Amalek, Milchemes Mitzvah and the like are by no means peacable.<BR/><BR/>I don't think starting name-calling sessions (which I don't think you meant, by the way, but what this could deteriorate into...) will accomplish anything worthwhile, especially as we live in glass houses where this is concerned.Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17655144434904957767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159306280530644912006-09-27T00:31:00.000+03:002006-09-27T00:31:00.000+03:00What I want to know is- what did he stuff the cann...What I want to know is- what did he stuff the cannon with???kasambahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851529433849846912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159302478921820652006-09-26T23:27:00.000+03:002006-09-26T23:27:00.000+03:00Here's the way the sword part of the ceremony goes...Here's the way the sword part of the ceremony goes:<BR/><BR/>DUBBING THE KNIGHT (THE ADOUBEMENT) <BR/>Their Majesties (using Oathbinder): <BR/><BR/>"In remembrance of oaths given and received." (Strike the right shoulder) <BR/><BR/>"In remembrance of your lineage and obligations." (Strike the left shoulder) <BR/><BR/>"Be thou a good knight." (Strike the head) <BR/><BR/>"Rise, Sir XXX." <BR/><BR/>and there's this explanation:<BR/><BR/>The Sword represents the Knight's right to dispense justice. The double edge of the blade ever reminds the Knight to temper justice with mercy. As the steel of the Sword must be tempered in fire and water, so must the soul of the Knight be tempered by adversity and compassion. <BR/><BR/>The person vesting the Candidate with the Sword should say as he nears completion: <BR/><BR/>Sword: Never draw this in anger.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159301968886724202006-09-26T23:19:00.000+03:002006-09-26T23:19:00.000+03:00Simple, FrumJew, the police are a national bureauc...Simple, FrumJew, the police are a national bureaucratic unit, not local. There is a move by mayors to begin independently to employ security forces but that is still problematic. The system is unlike the States.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159296728666325032006-09-26T21:52:00.000+03:002006-09-26T21:52:00.000+03:00pp: Want to see pictures of my kid holding my M-16...pp: Want to see pictures of my kid holding my M-16?<BR/><BR/>For Purim I'm getting him a cute suicide bomber outfit I saw in Ramallah.<BR/><BR/>As for praying, we clearly demand vengence on our (or G/d's) enemies, but that is a more complicated theological discussion that Rav Nebentsal explains quite nicely in one of his High Holiday books.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159293942016876572006-09-26T21:05:00.000+03:002006-09-26T21:05:00.000+03:00there are plenty who might venture that Brit Mila ...<I>there are plenty who might venture that Brit Mila is not exactly non-violent...</I><BR/><BR/>Here in LA a bris never ends until we employ elements of <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus" REL="nofollow">Festivus</A> in which we engage in feats of strength.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159287137981755132006-09-26T19:12:00.000+03:002006-09-26T19:12:00.000+03:00Erm- I wasn't claiming that Arab weddings don't in...Erm- I wasn't claiming that Arab weddings don't incorporate shooting into the air: I just said that all the ones I'd been to were shooting free, thereby disputing your claim that "a Muslim wedding isn't complete without..." <BR/><BR/>But as for Brit Mila, again, there are many who would find the "purpose" questionable/ unnecessary. I do see what you're getting at with this post, though: That Jews are therefore less "violent" because we don't fire rifles in the air at smachot (or for other reasons except in self-defence.) Neither do we photograph our kids holding them. We don't do many things that the Muslims do. (We also don't pray to an instrument of torture/"divine mercy".)<BR/><BR/>So all said, is this supposed to make us feel better about the parts of our religion which are less palatable?!tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159284374933187822006-09-26T18:26:00.000+03:002006-09-26T18:26:00.000+03:00gee a moron!,the crucifix was an instrument of tor...gee a moron!,<BR/><BR/>the crucifix was an instrument of torture for the romans, not the christians. christians adopted it as a symbol for precisely the opposite reason: jesus suffered so humans (i.e., christians) no longer need to. so if anything, for christians the crucifix is a symbol of divine mercy.<BR/><BR/>(of course all this is christian theology, not what often transpires in the real world.)Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159283997692221092006-09-26T18:19:00.000+03:002006-09-26T18:19:00.000+03:00jameel,shooting rifles in the air is so old school...jameel,<BR/><BR/>shooting rifles in the air is so old school. don't the arab celebrants realize that times have changed and that suicide bombers, not rifles, are the weapons of choice these days? instead of firing rifles at their weddings they should blow up some suicide bombers. don't you know any progressive clerics at the muqata with whom you can take up this matter?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159282991439589952006-09-26T18:03:00.000+03:002006-09-26T18:03:00.000+03:00pp: Sorry, but shooting is a big part of palestini...pp: Sorry, but shooting is a big part of palestinian celebrations. Even the PA told their people they have to tone down the shootings after the guests kept going to the hospital (and they weren't referring to when the Palestinans shot up Jewish celebrations).<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/12003/edition_id/231/format/html/displaystory.html" REL="nofollow">http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/12003/edition_id/231/format/html/displaystory.html</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0175.htm" REL="nofollow">http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0175.htm</A>JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159280912748958092006-09-26T17:28:00.000+03:002006-09-26T17:28:00.000+03:00Tafka PP: Youve never heard or seen anything about...Tafka PP: Youve never heard or seen anything about this? I will have to scrounge up articles from the papers about kids who have been hurt and killed in the Galil from wedding-fire.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to call the IDF mokdim on any given night in the Shomron and say you hear gunfire from any given village. They will tell you <BR/>"wedding celebration". <BR/><BR/><I>"Makes sense, especially in view of the fact that there's more cooperation across the city than you might think.</I> My issue had nothing to do with cooperation (which definitely exists on some level) but that firearms and weapons are an integral part of the religion and customs.<BR/><BR/>Brit Mila is a procedure, in which a knife is used for a purpose. <BR/><BR/>Shooting in the air is not a "procedure" but rather adds "ambiance" to an event.<BR/><BR/>I will try to find some articles to shed more light on this issue...Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159280634776380322006-09-26T17:23:00.000+03:002006-09-26T17:23:00.000+03:00- sorry, end of comment got cut off- - and when I ...- sorry, end of comment got cut off- <BR/><BR/>- and when I wished a Muslim that this morning, she answered with "Shana Tova" :)tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1159280325256020692006-09-26T17:18:00.000+03:002006-09-26T17:18:00.000+03:00a Muslim wedding isn't complete without lots of sh...<I>a Muslim wedding isn't complete without lots of shooting in the air as well</I><BR/><BR/>First and foremost, Jameel- I've been to several such simchas in this country, and have NEVER seen shooting in the air. (I was even quite disappointed, having also heard the rumours!)<BR/><BR/>And as for claiming we are free of religious violence in ceremonies- there are plenty who might venture that Brit Mila is not exactly non-violent...<BR/><BR/>And finally regarding Lupoliansky firing the cannon: As the mayor, he is the leader of the Jerusalem Municipality- a large percentage (close to half) of his municipal constituents are Muslims. Makes sense, especially in view of the fact that there's more cooperation across the city than you might think. <BR/><BR/>And btw it's "Ramadan Kareem"tafka PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166682612446711810noreply@blogger.com