tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post1351017772289399400..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Mehadrin Bus: Woman uses pepper spray when asked to move seatsJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-38359275997568093522010-01-07T01:50:31.024+02:002010-01-07T01:50:31.024+02:00She should've waited until he tried to force h...She should've waited until he tried to force her out of her seat. Then the pepperspray would have been more than justified - as well as a good hard kick in the beitsim.<br /><br />But until and unless he touched her with anything that could be interpreted as intent to harm OR forcibly remove her, she had no cause to unleash the spray.<br /><br />She was wrong.<br />If she had waited, she might have been right.<br />But as it reads now, she was clearly wrong.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-89735373260073381852010-01-06T20:27:34.007+02:002010-01-06T20:27:34.007+02:00Because Capsecin isn't exactly rose perfume . ...Because Capsecin isn't exactly rose perfume . . .The Reform Baal Teshuvahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00842373562562136325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72414466959999517182010-01-06T20:03:20.759+02:002010-01-06T20:03:20.759+02:00If it was pepper spray, why would the bus driver o...If it was pepper spray, why would the bus driver open up the windows?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-82764823426354608522010-01-06T18:33:59.974+02:002010-01-06T18:33:59.974+02:00Its interesting to note - that all the comments on...Its interesting to note - that all the comments on Ynet - stand up for the women and blast the chareidies. (What else to expect from a left wing anti zionist newspaper ?)<br />Personally, I am against these seperate buses, and as stated in previous comments - if the bochur prevoked her - he deserves it, and if not, she deserves it.<br />If the situation was different, say an israeli getting on an Arab bus, and asked to leave/move and they sprayed the arab - then whose side would you be on ? Or perhaps try the opposite - an arab getting on a bus, and being asked to be moved by an Israeli, and the Israeli being sprayed - then I guess most of us would shout "terrorist" - <br />So my point is - its a touchy situation - the Haredim should get used to living in a real world and stop worrying about their's or others sexuallity, and people should have respect for Haredim and not make them feel pushed into a corner.realRightWingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-4224885466561313042010-01-06T17:59:06.232+02:002010-01-06T17:59:06.232+02:00IF the man who approached her, did so in a way tha...IF the man who approached her, did so in a way that was intimidating, based on the experience of other women who have been physically assaulted for not sitting in the back, I'd say she was justified - perhaps she was afraid of the next step being physical.<br /><br />IF the man who approached her, did so in a very non-confrontational way in an effort to make her aware of the nature of the bus, then she should have, of course, not used the spray.<br /><br />Tough call. Unless she knew damn well what kind of bus she was on and was looking to make a statement. How to tell?Alissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00846819414972534465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-37541822912451001442010-01-06T17:39:12.130+02:002010-01-06T17:39:12.130+02:00I say good for her. I have been on buses with my w...I say good for her. I have been on buses with my wife and have been approached. I've also seen rude yeshiva bochurs yelling at elderly women and trying to get them move to the back. This is nonsense and this kid deserved it even he was only verbally assaulting her. Chutzpa!Avinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-687383631432506352010-01-06T16:09:48.835+02:002010-01-06T16:09:48.835+02:00Only asked Jameel because using tear gas on someon...Only asked Jameel because using tear gas on someone in the US carries different legal penalties then using pepper spray carries.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-74844776345473232662010-01-06T16:02:40.609+02:002010-01-06T16:02:40.609+02:00ProfK: Its hard to say which it is. The hebrew wo...ProfK: Its hard to say which it is. The hebrew word used was "גז מדמיע" which literally means "tear gas" -- but it could have been pepper spray (also sold in Israel) but also under the generic term "tear gas".Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-62329432565094210852010-01-06T14:57:53.146+02:002010-01-06T14:57:53.146+02:00Sounds like the woman didn't think through the...Sounds like the woman didn't think through the steps of what to do when. On the other hand can just see a smart lawyer bringing in evidence that she has bad arthritis or some such physical impairment (or perhaps an incipient mental condition) that won't allow her to travel to the back of the bus. Can see the headlines now of how chareidim discriminate against the disabled and the elderly.<br /><br />And which was it--tear gas or pepper spray? There is a difference.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-52057152259832524972010-01-06T13:10:29.300+02:002010-01-06T13:10:29.300+02:00Tear gas?
It also sounds like it was planned ou...Tear gas? <br /><br />It also sounds like it was planned out.<br /><br />But at the same time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-63576759653647323512010-01-06T13:04:26.826+02:002010-01-06T13:04:26.826+02:00Shimon: Didnt seem very smart of her at all. We d...Shimon: Didnt seem very smart of her at all. We don't know if the man wasn't going to "forcefully" move her at all -- in fact, he may have been telling her in case she wasnt aware what sort of bus she was on.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-40733706393617589562010-01-06T12:54:22.501+02:002010-01-06T12:54:22.501+02:00If she was smart she would have waited for him to ...If she was smart she would have waited for him to try and forcefully move her and only then empty the can in his face - in self defense of course!Shimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00161801089483717975noreply@blogger.com