tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post4276449495037751775..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Settler Violence; Wrong, Damaging and DepressingJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-31386709769118058922011-12-16T07:39:59.750+02:002011-12-16T07:39:59.750+02:00To last anonymous
Jameel wrote it as it was. Email...To last anonymous<br />Jameel wrote it as it was. Emails, and beeper messages went out saying that the army was on the way.<br />People thought this would be Migron 2.<br />The problem of course was that it got out of hand.<br /><br />We all condemn of course, but it is clear that there is some sort of double standard, allowing other sections of the population (arabs, hardeim, left etc), to do these sorts of things on a day to day basis without the same announcements about cracking down on them.kerennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-72721668888946247802011-12-16T01:43:00.087+02:002011-12-16T01:43:00.087+02:00Anon, rationale does not mean legitimization.
I ...Anon, rationale does not mean legitimization. <br /><br />I heard an interesting round table on Israeli radio, though I couldn't tell who was talking. One fellow, I think a Haredi one, mentioned that every population sector has kids on the edges and also mentioned that in Israel, the authorities only react (or not react) to force. The whole government is afraid of touching the Mugrabi bridge in case it might incite some religious war in Israel or worldwide, the whole country knows how strongly the Haredim are willing to fight for modest advertisements in ceratin areas, graves, and Shabbat, and it seems that the 'settlers' and fans are creating the boundaries so the government and authorities know the 'price' of taking apart more Jewish homes and making families homeless.<br /><br />Frankly, the government should know that once it uses the 'destroy home' weapon, the other side has absolutely nothing to lose by fighting. This is not a threat, it's psychology 101.joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-22562056241773693232011-12-15T16:48:21.305+02:002011-12-15T16:48:21.305+02:00Dear anonymous 4:32
The first 2 paragraphs were ...Dear anonymous 4:32 <br /><br />The first 2 paragraphs were a clear cut condemnation of the violence.<br /><br />The rest of the post was the background. I don't see how you can view the background as "legitimization". Barak, the Supreme Court, and Peace Now have acted atrociously -- and the background is important to understand the context.<br /><br />Yet it is far from a legitimization.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-77936866572358852422011-12-15T16:32:27.133+02:002011-12-15T16:32:27.133+02:00Your comment section is really scary.
Clearly many...Your comment section is really scary.<br />Clearly many of your readers support some sort of rt wing violence, blame the army, or feel it's a left wing conspiracy to point out what these people did in the press.<br />As a point of protocol, if you're going to post a condemnation, just post those 1st 2 paragraphs. The rest is more of a legitimization of why the attacks happened.<br />Just one man's point of view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-62499475078727819082011-12-15T12:45:02.657+02:002011-12-15T12:45:02.657+02:00The price tag movement is a discriminatory attempt...The price tag movement is a discriminatory attempt to blacken the image of the settlers and the religious. No other population segment is singled out for the isolated incidents of small vandals and criminals. The seculars with their massive crime problem, the leftists and anarchists, the Arabs, and the Haredim as well have not received so much media attention. I do not condone 'price tag' but there is absolutely no reason to cooperate in the mass condemnations as well.joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-65155409689189675402011-12-15T11:55:50.705+02:002011-12-15T11:55:50.705+02:00Rav Aviner on the "price tag" movement -...Rav Aviner on the "price tag" movement - http://www.ravaviner.com/2011/12/theres-no-price-tag.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-19091340880804431292011-12-15T11:31:22.967+02:002011-12-15T11:31:22.967+02:00These people are doing a great thing and will help...These people are doing a great thing and will help Israel recognize the correct way to deal with the Palestinians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-54875755274657706302011-12-15T01:41:18.838+02:002011-12-15T01:41:18.838+02:00Don't fall into the trap of 'need to conde...Don't fall into the trap of 'need to condemn'. Something is very fishy right now, the price tag, the ministers calling for the Hilltop Youth to be declared a terrorist group, the 'right' violence getting heavy attention why the 'left' violence is ignored. All we need now is a swearing in ceremony for some secret Hilltop Youth unit that will stop all outpost eviction. I really hope that we will not find out that another gullible religious boy from Herziliah was given a gun.<br /><br />On the other hand, the army is responsible for this. The high ranking officers have been brainwashed into thinking that the army is the operational wing of the government and the bagatz. These officers have let the army been dragged into politics and to be used as a political tool. When the 'settlers' feel they have nothing to lose, the army becomes a target as well.joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-9373443365160189582011-12-14T18:16:30.383+02:002011-12-14T18:16:30.383+02:00simon: Why is Ehud Barak so insistent in kicking t...simon: Why is Ehud Barak so insistent in kicking the Zar family out of their homes?Jerry - Eilatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-41575865836631969512011-12-14T18:14:07.823+02:002011-12-14T18:14:07.823+02:00moshe zar and the rest of the ramat gilad communit...moshe zar and the rest of the ramat gilad community should be able to stay in their settlement under palestinian rule. the idf should not be put in harms way protecting these nutters.simon - modiinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-45477093054227738862011-12-14T17:25:13.689+02:002011-12-14T17:25:13.689+02:00Walid: Its obviously the Shin-Gimmel's fault.
...Walid: Its obviously the Shin-Gimmel's fault.<br /><br />However, once they came in, none of the soldiers or officers made any real effort to stop everything going on. At one point, one of the officers locked his weapon in his jeep and started to physically push the invaders out.<br /><br />He wanted to ensure that no weapons were used.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-21379613936921145042011-12-14T16:56:52.595+02:002011-12-14T16:56:52.595+02:00I missed the early reports, and I'm getting on...I missed the early reports, and I'm getting only the fire and brimstone now. Can somebody explain how 50 civilians can calmly walk into an army base and wreak havoc? And not even get caught? Who is to blame for this breach of security?Walidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-21470015534323185972011-12-14T16:09:21.920+02:002011-12-14T16:09:21.920+02:00While it is definitely depressing, I disagree that...While it is definitely depressing, I disagree that the vandalism harms them. The settlement was going to be demolished, is going to be demolished, as far as the settlers are: things can't get worse. In fact, because the army is hurt in the process, the settlers may have even delayed the demolition. To be condemned? Absolutely. But also completely understandable. <br /><br />As per the demolition: the army should refuse to carry out political declarations by the court. As Andrew Jackson is quoted as saying "the supreme court has made a decision, let them enforce it"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-36452183010713411892011-12-14T16:03:50.562+02:002011-12-14T16:03:50.562+02:00Jameel: If you seriously believed what you wrote, ...Jameel: If you seriously believed what you wrote, you would endorse MK Fuad Ben-Eliezer's comments this morning:<br /><br />"Too bad the IDF didn't arrest anyone; too bad they didn't shoot; too bad they didn't react."<br /><br />Shoot the damn settlers already.<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=249408Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com