tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post5794652400477612386..comments2024-03-27T07:01:13.725+02:00Comments on The Muqata: Day of RageJameel @ The Muqatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-79252856039017202502010-09-27T18:29:01.158+02:002010-09-27T18:29:01.158+02:00Jonathan Becker- FYI those rioting aren't Isra...Jonathan Becker- FYI those rioting aren't Israeli Arabs, they're Jerusalem Arabs, ie not Israeli citizens, they mostly hold Jordanian Passports and the large majority of them hold a Teudat Zehut to enable them to receive services from Iriyat YerushalayimKamagrahttp://www.xlpharmacy.com/generic-viagra/online.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-40279375163022153082010-03-17T15:32:00.509+02:002010-03-17T15:32:00.509+02:00Sorry Ari, I stand corrected- I didn't say ben...Sorry Ari, I stand corrected- I didn't say benefits, I said "services" but I didn't mean to imply that EJ Palestinians aren't privy to Iriya benefits as well.tafka ppnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-79068617218433678252010-03-17T15:28:59.211+02:002010-03-17T15:28:59.211+02:00Ari- I said "benefits" - since when were...Ari- I said "benefits" - since when were "benefits" not Bituach Leumi?! <br /><br />Avi- sorry, you're the one who remains "uninformed" here, but unlike you I'm not planning to be rude to you about it. I worked in/around East Jerusalem in Arab orgs for 7 years and still volunteer there. So, two rebuttals: Don't kid yourself that knowing enough words in<br />Hebrew to regularly pass through an IDF Machsom is "speaking Hebrew", often that's the only Hebrew they know; and don't forget that you would not have met the majority of residents of these areas, most of whom don't actually leave their neighbourhoods, and if so don't go to the "west". <br /><br />I can tell you directly from my involvement in the EJ Palestinian world that the majority of them are not taught Hebrew in any formal capacity, and the community of highly educated EJ Palestinians whose working lives are in the West Bank therefore don't need to use Hebrew and as such don't know it unless at some point they make an effort to learn it, generally taking on English as a second language. <br /><br />And- FYI I don't have an agenda, I was just trying to clear up a point about what type of Palestinian was "enraged" yesterday and thought Jameel's readers might be interested.tafka ppnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-90090137327000629112010-03-17T11:30:44.091+02:002010-03-17T11:30:44.091+02:00The large majority of residents of Abu Tor, Issawi...<i>The large majority of residents of Abu Tor, Issawiya, Silwan, Jabel Mukaber etc speak no Hebrew</i><br /><br />Bulls**t. From personal experience of 3 years doing 8-8/8-16 shifts at checkpoints around Jerusalem and dealing directly with Arabs, practically all of the young and middle age people who live in the neighborhoods you mention speak Hebrew. The ones who are unable to communicate in Hebrew are usually elderly people or those who come from villages in Samaria. But if it suits your agenda, just roll with it. Why let reality get in the way? <br /><br />It's funny how the "informed" tend to be foreigners or Israelis who have never actually had to live near Arabs or deal with them on a personal basis.avinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-50550464784732127502010-03-17T10:31:25.809+02:002010-03-17T10:31:25.809+02:00tafka pp:
Jonathan Becker- FYI those rioting aren...tafka pp:<br /><br /><i>Jonathan Becker- FYI those rioting aren't Israeli Arabs, they're Jerusalem Arabs, ie not Israeli citizens, they mostly hold Jordanian Passports and the large majority of them hold a Teudat Zehut to enable them to receive services from Iriyat Yerushalayim.</i><br /><br />Really? So this large majority of "Palestinians" who are Israeli ID card holders, don't receive the benefits of Israeli citizens? <br /><br />So why are they always at Bituach Leumi, getting cash/social security benefits?<br /><br />Neturay Karta is at least honest about it, and doesnt take money from the State.Arinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-5506688104265932132010-03-17T09:09:19.562+02:002010-03-17T09:09:19.562+02:00Jonathan Becker- FYI those rioting aren't Isra...Jonathan Becker- FYI those rioting aren't Israeli Arabs, they're Jerusalem Arabs, ie not Israeli citizens, they mostly hold Jordanian Passports and the large majority of them hold a Teudat Zehut to enable them to receive services from Iriyat Yerushalayim. For anyone else interested, these are pretty much the 3rd column of Palestinians in Israel. (1. Israeli Arabs- or '48 Palestinians, as most of them call themselves, which these days increasingly includes Bedouin <br />2. "Actual" Palestinians - residents of the territories with no Israeli citizenship whatsoever, and 3. Jerusalem and area residents) <br /><br />And further, most of the "Jerusalem" category absolutely consider themselves Palestinians and would prefer to be Palestinian citizens in the future, (yes, even though a substantial amount of them work for Jews and enjoy those benefits at present.) The large majority of residents of Abu Tor, Issawiya, Silwan, Jabel Mukaber etc speak no Hebrew, live according to completely separate infrastructures (transport, etc) and don't wish to integrate with their Jewish counterparts on the western side of the city... Hence much eyebrow-raising on the part of the informed when "eternal, undivided Jerusalem" is referred to.tafka ppnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-53369493069759434702010-03-17T07:37:37.078+02:002010-03-17T07:37:37.078+02:00I would be hard-pressed to say that the secular wi...I would be hard-pressed to say that the secular winners know Tanach poorly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-91560721007864663382010-03-17T07:30:39.936+02:002010-03-17T07:30:39.936+02:00Anon: There's a non-religious division of the ...Anon: There's a non-religious division of the Bible Contest, in which the questions are simplified (to compensate for them ostensibly knowing Tanakh poorly).<br /><br />Sort of like "Affirmative Action" for secular Israelis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-1619369374836266372010-03-17T02:25:39.295+02:002010-03-17T02:25:39.295+02:00Why is there a "non-religious" division ...Why is there a "non-religious" division for the bible contest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-10084041334120422152010-03-16T19:23:35.499+02:002010-03-16T19:23:35.499+02:00" At heart, I am still the type of homicidal ..." At heart, I am still the type of homicidal mediaeval European tribal my ancestors were. Self-control is a paper-thin veneer."<br /><br />yeah, well the same can be said for all our european "opponents". you are part of a rarified minority, my friend. that is, our friend. i have more faith in your erudition as a weapon than your fur-girded racial nostalgia. for that, we have the magavnikim. :)jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-21369913516405328092010-03-16T19:10:36.752+02:002010-03-16T19:10:36.752+02:00Those photos are filling me with rage.
Good thing ...Those photos are filling me with rage.<br />Good thing there aren't any Arab neighborhoods in SF. At heart, I am still the type of homicidal mediaeval European tribal my ancestors were. Self-control is a paper-thin veneer. So is civilization.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-88703035744822506312010-03-16T18:37:29.772+02:002010-03-16T18:37:29.772+02:00whatever. you know what i mean. the ones who would...whatever. you know what i mean. the ones who wouldn't agree to be "palestinian" citizens if you paid them. :)jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-41094001591597901432010-03-16T17:34:07.017+02:002010-03-16T17:34:07.017+02:00fine reporting, thanks. i had to be in jerusalem a...fine reporting, thanks. i had to be in jerusalem all day today and didn't see any of this stuff- all normal, business as usual. maybe a few more security spooks around, but plenty of happy, healthy arabs going about their business- at bituach leumi, the doctors office, just walking around etc. they seem to have special "areas" for protests and the rest of the city is unaffected- for arabs, too. interesting. these are israeli arabs, right?jonathan beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-89401539016395662652010-03-16T14:16:09.879+02:002010-03-16T14:16:09.879+02:00Gila: Probably Mistaravim.Gila: Probably <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistaravim" rel="nofollow">Mistaravim.</a>Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-85971514444742935092010-03-16T13:57:53.650+02:002010-03-16T13:57:53.650+02:00" In light of Israel's rebuilding of the ..." In light of Israel's rebuilding of the Hurva Shul in the Old City of Jerusalem, Hamas has declared a "day or rage"."<br /><br />i hope the chief rabbi is taking notesLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13539920.post-59630176166137125212010-03-16T12:06:27.747+02:002010-03-16T12:06:27.747+02:00Is it completely lost on everyone that the renovat...Is it completely lost on everyone that the renovation of the Hurva shul has been going on publically for years, but they waited until it was finished to protest it? If the Palestinians really thought that the renovation would be a threat to anything they hold dear, they should have protested a long time ago.yoni r.noreply@blogger.com