Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Why Can't Israel Learn from Denmark How to Deal with Non-Violent Protestors?

The Times of Israel reports:
"The Danish foreign minister demanded an explanation from Israel on Monday regarding an incident Saturday in which a senior IDF officer hit a Danish protester in the face with his rifle at a demonstration near Jericho.

“We don’t yet know the circumstances surrounding the episode. The Danish ambassador has therefore immediately asked the Israeli authorities for a report,” Foreign Minister Villy Søvndal said in a press release.

“Our ambassador demanded answers from Israel immediately. The Danish citizen (Andreas Ayas) will obviously receive consular aid, should he desire,” he said." (Times of Israel)
I agree wholeheartedly.

I demand an explanation why Denmark can't learn from Israel when it comes to non-violent demonstrators.

Here's an important example of how Denmark's police deal with non-violent protestors.



A lesson for us all.

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17 comments:

Michael, Denmark said...

I'm quite sure that if this had been anywhere but in Israel our dear foreign minister would not have been involved and it would barely hit the media.

But remember, our dear foreign minister was for many years a supporter of the Boycott Israel campaign, but had his name removed shortly before the election in the fall that unfortunately gave us a new government where he isn't the only one that has been a part of that campaign.

Also the government is backed by a "communist light" party that in the past has staged charades where they dressed up as Israeli check point soldiers and pretended to beat up "peaceful protesters" and civilian Palestinians.

Maybe Denmark Square in Jerusalem should be named Free Denmark Square until we are blessed with a new government :)

Darth Zeidah said...

"Here's an important example of how Denmark's police deal with non-violent protestors."

Two wrongs have never made a right.

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Darth: Agreed. Denmark shouldn't beat up non-violent protestors, and the ISMers shouldn't be creating provocations.

SD said...

Eisner was endangering the Jewish People with his conduct here.

If you Google him in hebrew, you'll see that he has a history of misconduct towards settlers as well.

Other sites have pictures of him roaming around the demonstration swinging his rifle and smashing it on the back of someone who's retreating.

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

SD: Hagit Rein, bereaved mother of IDF Captain Benaya Rein would disagree with you.

During the Second Lebanon War, Captain Rein's tank was struck by a Hizbolla rocket, killing Rein. Due to the ongoing battles in Lebanon, the IDF decided not to retrieve Rein's body. After 3 days of ongoing battle, the Tank Battalion Commander, Shalom Eisner was fed up with the IDF's inaction -- he said its shameful that an IDF officer's body is lying in Lebanon for 3 days without retrieval. Under heavy fire, Eisner put on a flak jacket, personally took a jeep, and went into Lebanon to the battlefield where Rein's tank lay. Eisner personally, under fire, retrieved Rein's body, put it into his jeep, and he drove back into Israel.

Eisner's conduct may not have been 100% photogenic, yet he is a war hero, an excellent commander, and of tremendous value to the Jewish people.

Just ask Hagit Rein.

David said...

Jameel:
I have no doubt that Eisner is a war hero, excellent commander, and of tremendous value to the Jewish People.

However, that does not negate the fact that he did tremendous damage to the Jewish People here.

Nor does it negate the fact that the same toughness he used under fire was inappropriate -- even sadistic -- when dealing with unarmed protesters.

Here are some links:

http://972mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/rifle-eisner.jpg


http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/551/2525383

http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/law/1.1609498

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=890625&Inews=0

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

David: He didn't do "great damage" to the Jewish people. He was doing his job, though he may have over-reacted. The world loves dead Jews, and hates us when we defend ourselves. We were yelled at for defending ourselves in "Cast Lead" as well.

Bringing links from 972mag, Walla, and Haaretz doesn't prove anything -- there are just as many links from those who think he didn't do "great damage" to the Jewish people. (Since when does 972mag and Haaretz represent the Jewish people anyway? Haaretz is owned by non-Jewish Germans with an anti-Israel agenda).

Its unfortunate you rely on them for your news and opinion. Here are some better ones.

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/358/457.html?hp=1&cat=479

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4217179,00.html

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=266281

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=266313

http://www.srugim.co.il/30986-%d7%90%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%99-%d7%90%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%9a-%d7%9e%d7%aa%d7%a0%d7%a4%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%9d-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%94%d7%a1%d7%9e%d7%97%d7%98-%d7%91%d7%92%d7%9c%d7%9c-%d7%94%d7%9b%d7%99%d7%a4

http://www.srugim.co.il/30976-%d7%a7%d7%a8%d7%99%d7%a7%d7%98%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%94-%d7%94%d7%a1%d7%9e%d7%97%d7%98-%d7%95%d7%94%d7%9e%d7%9b%d7%94-%d7%9c%d7%a4%d7%a0%d7%99%d7%9d

http://www.srugim.co.il/30969-%d7%a4%d7%a8%d7%a9%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%a1%d7%9e%d7%97%d7%98-%d7%90%d7%99%d7%91%d7%93%d7%a0%d7%95-%d7%9c%d7%92%d7%9e%d7%a8%d7%99-%d7%90%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%a9

The back of the hill said...

I'm adding the Danes to my long list of European nations whose citizens should be distrusted.

Pity the ISM stooge's jaw wasn't broken.

Yeah, I know. Heartless.

Bite me.

David said...

I was linking to INFORMATION and PHOTOS that appear on their sites, not to their editorials.

Rather than criticize the messenger, please tell me what you think of the information.

Stewart said...

David,
Pictures are often selectively (mis)used to convey editorial viewpoints.

HolyCityPrayer said...

Jameel, you should post your comment about Rein hyd as a separate post.

I am still astounded, since I first heard that story on galei zahal two mornings ago, that Eizner was not already famous nationwide for this act of selfless heroism.

That he wasn't is either another proof of his values - this one being humility - or of the Media and the Army's unwillingness to recognize such heroism, especially when demonstrated by srugim, or both.

Anonymous said...

Jameel,
I think it's hard to debate any point with someone who states that "the world loves dead Jews, and hates when we defend ourselves."
I would respectfully suggest that that is not a good operating principle.
Perhaps you need to take a step back and approach this issue, as well as others, from a purely ethical standpoint, just as you would if you were studying a text or a sugya.
Let's ask a few questions:
1. If a war hero makes an ethical mistake, is he any less responsible for his actions?
2. If a country has a history of beating nonviolent protestors, does that make us any less guilty for striking one of their citizens during a protest?
3. If the said war hero had his fingers broken earlier in the day, does that justify his clubbing a protestor with a rifle butt?
4. If we consider ourselves moral, either because of religious beliefs or otherwise, is there ever a justification for striking an unarmed man when you are in a position of authority?
Respectfully, Larry

Renegade said...

Here's a novel idea:
When facing a line of armed soldiers yelling at you to stay back, listen to them if you don't want to get hurt!

It's not as if they were sitting minding their own business and the soldiers started beating them. They got a (small taste of) what they deserved.

Anonymous said...

Great angle of the hypocrisy. I would like to note that the current Danish government is far more left wing than usual.

Here is a great in depth analysis of the incident...

Great analysis of the incident's repercussions.

Daniel said...

http://www.140mileseastofcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/inglourious_basterds_man_with_swastika_carved_in_forehead.jpg

this is what should happen to the Danish Nazi

Neshama said...

He looks more like a 'mighty warrior' such as Dovid HaMelech! Make him Defense Minister instead of Barak (or whatever title he has)

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because there can be no peaceful demonstrations? with violence do not get to anything good

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