Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Following Suit: Jordan to conduct public burnings

While I certainly hope I'm not enabling Jordanians by posting this...

The Chinese Global Times reports:

Jordan's forum of professional associations and opposition on Saturday condemned Israeli calls for considering Jordan as the alternative homeland for the Palestinians and stressed the returning right of the Palestinian refugees.

In a statement issued Saturday, the forum, which includes the country's 14 trade unions and opposition parties, said "the Zionist entity (Israel) poses a real threat to the Palestinians, Jordan and the Arab nations."

"The sole option to face the Zionist entity is to resort to resistance," the statement indicated.

It also called for reconsidering mechanisms of peace negotiations with Israel as these mechanisms followed by the Arab regimes have not yielded any results so far.

- The forum, which condemned Israel's latest military order that entails the expulsion of thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank, called for severing the Wadi Araba Peace Treaty signed in 1994 between Jordan and Israel.

- Since the signing of the Wadi Araba Peace Treaty, Jordan's 14 professional associations and opposition parties spearheaded efforts calling for annulling the peace deal with Israel.

- The forum also called for cutting all types of normalization with Israel.

- They have started several campaigns calling for boycotting Israeli products and noncooperation with Israel at any level.

And following up, PNN reports:

Joining the campaign, “for Jordan free of Zionist Products”, 14 Trade Unions; the President of the Trade unions Council, Ahmad Al Armoti, told reporters that the campaign is to mark the 62 anniversary of the Palestinian Nakba and because of the continued Israeli threats to Jordan.

The Campaign organizers will issue leaflets of Israeli trademarks and will run media campaigns to educate the consumers about the Israeli products. A wed [sic] site also will be launched to raise awareness, campaigners reported.

Next Saturday the Trade Unions will organize an action the Jordanian capital Amman to torch Israeli Products [in commemoration of the Naqba].

Till I get those photos, here's one:

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, throws a package into a fire set to burn products from Jewish settlements, in the West Bank town of Salfit, Jan 5, 2010. Palestinians have launched a boycott of Israeli products made in Jewish settlements in the West Bank. (Nasser Ishtayeh/AP//File)


Truly Sick.


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26 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't know. That picture looks like it might have been photoshopped.

Anonymous said...

I'll bet this whole thing is really just a publicity stunt by Israel to get Jordanians to buy Israeli goods.

Anonymous said...

Do you know what? This is a perfect teaching case.
Let's compare and contrast this picture with the wonderful book burning you portrayed previously.
Here the perpetrator is clearly visible and named. Culpability is obvious. You are clearly outside of the incident, showing a picture that any witness might have photographed (and the perpetrator is not hiding).
In the previous case, you showed a picture that shielded the perpetrator completely and kept their indentity secret, although it's quite likely you (or someone involved) knew who it was. In fact, the perpetrator actually took the pictures.
Do you now see the difference?
Sadly, of course you don't.
Yet no one could construe you as condoning this episode. If this has been a picture of the previous book burning, you probably would have blurred the faces of the perpetrators. To protect the... innocent?

Jameel's anonymous childhood friend said...

Well, you've really outdone yourself this time, Jameel. This post is just complete slander against the makers of Israeli products. Vicious, foulmouthed slander.

Well, OK, not legally, but in terms of Torah-true values.

If I cared enough and had even more free time on my hands than I already do, I would totally organize a global boycott of your blog for this. Even though I'm your friend. Sometimes that's what friends have to do, y'know?

Jameel's anonymous childhood friend said...

Oh, and if you check, you will see that my comments are being posted from a totally different IP address than the one Salam Fayyad usually posts from.

That proves that I am not Salam Fayyad. Admit it.

The other long-lost friend of Jameel said...

You stinking bastard! How dare you support the burning of Israeli products?!

I didn't hear you condemn it, and your silence is deafening and defining.

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Anonymous: At the lag baomer bonfire, anyone could have taken photos at any of the multiple places the books were being burned.

I published the photos as I received them -- with zero alteration.

Why do you think I'm condemning these photos and what are the "perpetrators" culpable of?

Salam Fayyad. said...

How dare you use photos of me!?

Zionist Leftist said...

Yet you found no way to bash the NIF (or your daily dose of Obama slander&lies) in this post?

You're losing your touch.

The real Salam Fayyad said...

I am the real Salam Fayyad, and that other commenter is an impostor. Also, stop trying to make it look like I'm pretending to be your long-lost friend. He's a totally different person, not me. I promise. I'll bet he doesn't even look much like me. Besides, you can check our IP addresses and you'll see.

Please, why won't you tell everyone he's not me?!

Anonymous said...

The picture is fake and is photoshopped.

"SikaFlex" is not manufactured in Israel of even in settlements.

The flames look fake.

There are no other distinguishable "settlement products" in the photo.

It looks to me like the whole thing is a fake, to discredit Salam Fayad.

Nice going jammers.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous: At the lag baomer bonfire, anyone could have taken photos at any of the multiple places the books were being burned."

Dude, this is your blog, and the commentors are for the most part your rabid supporters, but at least be honest with yourself.
The picture of the book before it was thrown in the fire was clearly taken to exclude the person holding the book. To deny that is to kid yourself. The picture was taken by someone involved in the burning.
I suppose I should quit now. Obviously you want to believe what you want to believe.
Still, comparing the photos of the 2 burnings tells the whole story.
And if you read my original posts on this (oops! I think they were expurgated!) you'll see my logic is consistent throughout.
You're merely proving the point.

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

And if you read my original posts on this (oops! I think they were expurgated!)

Sorry, I only deleted the one comment in which you put personal information in it.

And if you read my original posts on this (oops! I think they were expurgated!)

As I wrote, I published what I received because I thought it was newsworthy, and I even published a special "update" that I personally and unequivocally condemned the book burning.

But obviously, that isn't enough for you.

Would you prefer I get burned at the stake?

(I'll even publish those pictures as well, but I'll have to photoshop a smiley over my face)

Anonymous said...

That guy posting as Anonymous is a phony. He's pretending to be me. Don't believe a word he says.

Anonymous said...

What I would like is for you to publicly aknowledge (or at least understand) that publishing those pictures was wrong.
To condemn a book burning is one thing. To publish pictures taken by those doing the burning but to allow them to maintain their anonymity is just wrong.
You should have deleted the pictures after the first person pointed out to you how wrong it was-- not the burning-we get it; you don't approve- but the posting of the photos.
Again, as I stated earlier (over and over); you are an accomplice to the publicity for this burning. I would have never seen these photos (which the burner wanted to publicize) if you hadn't posted them.
Capish?

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

I disagree with you the publishing those pictures was "wrong"

Those pictures were published "as is" -- no photshopping, no cropping, no editing, nothing.

I would have never seen these photos (which the burner wanted to publicize) if you hadn't posted them.

Do you understand that publishing these photos makes the book burners look bad?

It seems I can repeat this over and over, and while everyone seems to "get it" -- even DovBear, you seem to miss the point.

While DovBear may not agree with me on this point, he understands the point of view.

Hayvanta?



Capish?

Anonymous said...

While DovBear may not agree with me on this point, he understands the point of view.
Hayvanta?
Capish?


What exactly are you trying to insinuate, mister?

Anonymous said...

Ah, well, we're discussing different points, aren't we?
Dov bear took it personally. His book was being burned. All he cared about was the personal implications and the affront. I certainly don't blame him. And his forgiveness is laudable (Oops, I hope that doesn't mean you now all think I'm Dov Bear because I anonymously praised him-- I know that asking you to check my computer source didn't work, then showing I actually did know Jameel didn't work either).
My concerns are purely ethical and philosophical.
Let's try a thought experiment:
Would you publish photos of a murder? Probably not. But let's say you said yes (the actual beheading is offscreen). Would you publish the photos if you knew they were being taken to internationally publicize the act being done, by the murderers?
If you said no, then you are like almost all the international news outlets who refused to display the video of Daniel Perl being beheaded (disclaimer-there are exceptions), although I imagine it would have increased their hits/circulation). (Now I see you (or Lurker)researching who posted it for your retort)
If you said yes, then you are...(wait for it) Al Jazeera.
I don't expect you to get it. If you would, you would have gotten it by now.
I know you must vilify the New York Times, but to paraphrase their motto, you should only post the news THAT'S FIT TO PRINT. Oops, there I go using all capitals again! Just because you had the photos doesn't mean you had to post them.
Book burning photos by 3rd party- perhaps reasonable.
Book burning photos by book burner (concealing his identity)-bad.
I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.
Take them down already.

Anonymous said...

Where is Silent JoeSettler?

His silence is deafening. Why isn't he condemning the burning of Settler products.

DovBerele said...
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DovBear said...

Do you understand that publishing these photos makes the book burners look bad?

It seems I can repeat this over and over, and while everyone seems to "get it" -- even DovBear.


Confirming here that I do "get it" and agree that the book burners came off looking bad, just by virtue of the fact that they were burning books. I also wish to add something I said to Jameel privately.

The pictures of the book burning were painful for me to view because it was my book with my name on the cover. As another blogger said, it was like seeing myself go up in flames.

Over the last four years or so Jameel has become a friend. We've spent hours chatting, and I like him a lot. So it was a painful surprise to come here and see such pictures published on my friends blog. Imagine going to to you friend's house and seeing that he put a photo of your house burning down on his wall, without very much said in the way of sympathy or support.

I bet it would upset you.

Now Jameel has his perspective about the photos and his decision to publish four of them (which I respect) and I have my perspective about his descision to publish them (which I hope he respects)and that fact that we don't really agree with each other on this point, is really okay.Jameel and I will still be friends.

Life moves on, and all of you should, too.

DovBear said...

Furthermore, my anger/annoyance at the fact that Jameel and Joe Settler (who I also have a long association with) chose not to say very much in the way of sympathy and support was not something I should have shared with all of you on a public comment thread. That was an indulgance I should not have allowed myself.

Anonymous said...

And what about Lurker?

Lakewood Falling Down said...

You know what? the best part of these comments are DB "Over the last four years or so Jameel has become a friend. We've spent hours chatting, and I like him a lot. "-
The point of the J blog for me has always been that it's a place where ideas can be openly thalked about in a respectful but fully open way. Good for you guys for chatting it up - publicly & privately. The next thig I'd like to see is a Shabbaton -with live debates!

Lakewood Falling Down said...

Oh and I know my typing is awful, always full os spelling errors. sorry.

Gee a Moron said...

This whole thread is getting sick and off-topic of the the Jordanian/Palestinian boycotts, burnings.

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