Tuesday, June 22, 2010

In the Doldrums

Fellow blogger Ben-chorin writes the following:

I've stopped posting because I came to the conclusion that there was no purpose in one more person saying what many others are saying, even if many more are saying the opposite.

In the past 5 years of blogging, I don't recall a single issue that has personally disturbed me more than the current Emanuel school case. I've been bothered by many problems here in Israel over the years, but today the feeling is that either I'm simplu not getting through or I'm so totally wrong that I can't see it.

See what Benchorin has to say.

In the meantime, I will be cheering up at a wedding this evening, between Laizy (director and writer of Srugim) and Ronit (the Latma TV anchorperson).



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6 comments:

Don Cox said...

I think the basic problem is faith: that is, people being 100% certain about things that nobody really knows.

Anonymous said...

Mazal Tov!!!!!!

Shlomo said...

It's very simple.

Bagatz thinks they have to stick it to the charedim, no matter what the merits of this particular case (which are questionable).

Charedim think that the laws of the state do not apply to them, and they must defend anything other charedim do if criticized by non-charedim, no matter how outrageously immoral it is (though it's not clear whether this particular case is immoral).

Much of the Dati Leumi world is so sick of Bagatz's undemocratic left-wing-ness that they make a point of opposing it no matter what (even though in this case many of them dislike what they see in the charedi world).

Each of the above three is really reacting to the reactions of the other two, not to the original events.

What happened in Immanuel is unclear. What is happening now in the rest of Israel is far more clear - and also far more important.

Anonymous said...

6 of the 9 women from Emanuel, scheduled to go to jail...are Sephardi.

How exactly does that work? (Sounds like Sephardi discrimination to me...they are the MAJORITY of women going to jail over alleged discrimination?!)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: They don't have a free choice. If they don't stick up for the charedi side now, they will be considered traitors and their kids will never get shidduchim.

Avram said...

Hi Jameel -

I have a few comments.

When you made your 'There are 10 mizrachim' in the school system, I cringed. If you look at the Shas leadership, MOST of their kids go to the same institutions. Doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. We have to remember that Shas was essentially the brainchild of Rav Schach, and that they very much follow the UTJ (i.e. Shas had no issue with Yisrael Beytenu's conversion bill. UTJ protested and poof Shas had issues).

A few points -

1) There is a major problem within the Ashkenazi Haredi world with Sfardim. I cannot tell you how many stories I've heard from people who studied there (I would marry a Sefardi girl but my parents would sit shiva on me), or converted there (they told me Sfradim weren't Jewish because they spent too much time in the Arab world) or just came from abroad for a few months (You cannot say Havdalah al pi minhag ha'sfardim. That's not allowed here). It exists. Those who've dealt with it (I had similar experiences in a dati leumi school in England as a 12 year old) know it exists and see that there's little chance of fixing it.

2) Shas MK Haim Amsalem spoke out against what happened in Emmanuel and he got slammed and threatened with dismissal. Why is that?

3) Rav Yaakov Yosef quit being the major voice behind this necessary push. He was put in a very difficult position by his father's speech (essentially transalated into "We cannot be seen to be siding with Secular Courts") or by the death threats he (& his family) received.

May I live to the day that sees a 'united' Israel - where the fact that I'm sefardi doesn't mean I'm below my Ashkenazi brothers. Amen ken yehi'ratzon.

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