Wednesday, April 02, 2008

The Korban Pesach, today.



Learn more about it here.

I like it a lot.

Who doesn't?
The Temple movements' intention to hold a public slaughter of the Passover sacrifice was slammed by the animal rights movement, Let Animals Live.

The activists demanded that the event's coordinators cancel their plans, and sent letters to Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski, and to the Director of the Temple Institute, Yehuda Glick, threatening to sue if their demands were not met within 24 hours.

According to Let Animals Live director, Reuben Ladianski, the law states that it is prohibited to abuse or torture animals, including slaughtering them in a cruel manner.

"Any use of animals for educational purposes must be approved by the committee for animal experimentation," Ladianski said. "And the law states that permission will not be granted if the goal of the experiment can be reached in other, more humane ways." (YNETNEWS)


While educational, I don't think there's any intention of NOT eating the slaughtered animals.

And if we're already discussing the Beit HaMikdash, I found this video walk through interesting (the colors are ugly, but this sort of video concept has great educational potential)



And this video from last year about the Korban Pesach preparations...




Wherever I am, my blog turns towards Eretz Yisrael טובה הארץ מאד מאד

17 comments:

David (UK) said...

Are they actually goign to shecht and offer this korban? Where is the mizbeach, etc?

If it is just preparations for if moshiach comes between now and then, i'm in favour, otherwise definitely not!

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

David: Shecht it yes, offer it as a korban? Don't see how that's possible with no mizbeach.

David (UK) said...

Oh, so they're just eating it! I seee - so what are the animal hippies getting upset about; it's just a standard slaughter-eat combination!

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

David: Actually, there is no requirement for mizbeach for the korban pesach.

However, I seriously doubt the people involved in this would eat the slaughtered lamb, roasted, at the seder. Then again, there are opinions about "Korban pesach b'zman hazeh" but I don't think this is one of those...

Lion of Zion said...

"there is no requirement for mizbeach for the korban pesach."

i had a shiur about this in yeshivah. i don't remember anything about it, except that korban pesah can be done (at least according to some de'ot?) without a mizbe'ah/bet mikdash.

have you ever seen the korban pesah on har gerizim?

David (UK) said...

Wow, i was completely unaware of this, i'm most intrigued!

The back of the hill said...

The animal rights folks regularly get their knickers in a twist over the sale of live animals for food in Chinatown (no, it isn't eaten alive - but the Cantonese are obsessive over freshness).

Snapping photos of live chickens at a meat market on Stockton Street could get your fancy digital camera broken. Or the hand with which you used that camera.

Do not come between Cantonese people and food - did I mention the word obsession yet?

Protesting in front of the shop may result in a mob forming - whose only thought at that moment is to clobber whitey if he gets in the way of food.

Food is an obsession about which the Cantonese are passionate and potentially violent. Do not interfere with a Cantonese person and his or her dietary choices. It is dangerous to mess with the Cantonese when it comes to food.

To me, this seems fairly intuitive (probably in part because of Savage Kitten). But you'd be surprised how many people do not get it. It seems peculiarly American to be judgemental over other people's practices.
Consequently, I am guessing that Let Animals Live consists of fluffy-headed American imports and I am assuming that tofu is now available in Israel.

Why make aliyah if you're gonna eat tofu? You can do that in Milwaukee.

Lurker said...

Jameel: However, I seriously doubt the people involved in this would eat the slaughtered lamb, roasted, at the seder.

Why not? Isn't that the point?

Abbi said...

lurker
it is forbidden or at least it's a very strong Ashkenaz minhag not to eat any roasted meat on seder night, lamb, beef or chicken.

Hence- the Brisket festival. (Actually, my mill makes fried chicken).

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Abbi: Lurker is aware of that :-)

His assumption is that the Mikdash people hold of the minority opinion that one can have korban pesach bizman hazeh, even without the Beit HaMikdash, and therefore, they would actually be eating the korban pesach at the seder.

Lurker said...

Abbi: it is forbidden or at least it's a very strong Ashkenaz minhag not to eat any roasted meat on seder night, lamb, beef or chicken.

Just to clarify Jameel's answer: The whole reason for the minhag you cited (of not eating roasted meat at the seder) is in order to avoid creating the mistaken impression that one is eating the korban Pesah. Obviously, this minhag is irrelevant if one actually is eating the korban Pesah.

David, UK said...

I've just learnt some of the mishnayot, and although the korban was not schechted on the mizbeach, the blood was thrown onto the mizbeach, so i reckon it'd be safest to wait for bayit shlishi before calling it a proper korban!

D.C. said...

I highly doubt that in the absence of the Mikdash, they'll be shechting it on 14 Nisan this year. That would be highly problematic (think about the day of the week)...

-suitepotato- said...

I think a measure of our growth as a creation of G-d is that we will finally acknowledge that we have no need to sacrifice other beings to G-d or for food.

Sooner or later it will happen. Either when the human race fails to get off of Earth and colonize space and the population and energy and supply pressures eliminate us or after we colonize space where meat is an expensive delicacy that makes the present price of beef in Tokyo look like the buying of a pack of gum.

Lurker said...

-suitepotato-: Sooner or later it will happen. Either when the human race fails to get off of Earth and colonize space and the population and energy and supply pressures eliminate us or after we colonize space where meat is an expensive delicacy that makes the present price of beef in Tokyo look like the buying of a pack of gum.

But by then, we will be getting our meat by using replicator technology.

David (UK) said...

I'm pretty sure that it says in Naxh that we will bring sacrifices. Also, we pray for it three times a day!

Lion of Zion said...

SUITEPOTATO:

"I think a measure of our growth as a creation of G-d is that we will finally acknowledge that we have no need to sacrifice other beings to G-d or for food."

the rambam realized that a millenium ago regarding sacrifices, hence his statement in the guide that if matan torah were to take place today there would be no korbanot. (note that the rambam was NOT saying, contrary to those who misquote him, that there will not be korbanot in the third bet ha-mikdash).

regarding food, i don't eat too much meat. but what's wrong if i want to enjoy a good burger once in a while?

shavuah tov

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