Thursday, July 26, 2007

Eitam Hill

I am sure that Jameel wouldn't want to offend his more extreme readers with this, so I am just posting it as a link to my site. First is a post about about police abusing their power yesterday on the Eitam Hill, and another post has a picture of police attacking a 75 year old man (I was told his arms are now all black and blue), plus links to more pictures. And here is a lesson learned from yesterday.

Pop Quiz (no right answer). What is there about Jameel's banner that a leftist extremist could describe it as being the most offensive, disgusing thing he ever saw? (not those exact words, but you get the drift.)

Wherever I am, my blog turns towards Eretz Yisrael

12 comments:

Michael said...

What is there about Jameel's banner that a leftist extremist could describe it as being the most offensive, disgusing thing he ever saw?

Um, happy Israeli kids dancing in front of a caravan on a hill, while their flag waves overhead?

Doesn't look so bad to me...

tafka PP said...

Not sure that Mobius said anything close to that, Joe. Although he was ruder to Jameel than I would have expected on 9 Av.

But if your question wasn't rhetorical, I'll reply in my token capacity: I imagine Mobius finds Jameel's banner offensive as it presents an overly cutesy picture of life in a West Bank settlement, with not a checkpoint, security fence or sprawling Palestian town in sight. In short- the banner denies any form of Occupation. And further, the "What Occupation?" statement might not be quite as irritating perhaps had this blog been named "Yankel in Yesha" or somesuch instead of the stick-it-to-'em moniker dreamed up way back when. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Jameel- your original tagline was along the lines of "if you want to keep your house, convert to Islam- because the Israeli Government won't transfer Arabs, only Jews"?)

I know you said no right answer, but I think I won anyway.

A Simple Jew said...

They would have problem that there is no mixed dancing.

Moze said...

They would have problem that there is no mixed dancing.

But there is, Simple Jew. Look at the group in the back.

JoeSettler said...

PP: Neither Jameel nor I deny that the Arabs are occupying parts of the Land of Israel.

ari kinsberg said...

jameel,

i read yesterday that settlers will start posting videos on youtube demonstrating police violence against settlers.

the violence has to stop, but do you think that videos in the public domain is the appropriate course of action?

mevaseretzion said...

Yes, I think it is the appropriate action. These barbarians have to be aired to the light of day. Jail is too kind for these Jewish policemen.

I hope we see the video, I hope Israel is in an uproar. The police are a rogue power unto themselves, and they must be stopped.

yankel in yesha said...

About the police violence:
Videos will not stop it. You have to undrestand, in order for police to accomlish their goal, they need to use violence! If the're gonna be polite they'll never suceed...
In Gush katif, they could do it without using too much violence, that's because people actually listened to the likes of R' Aviner not to actively resist... But now people have learned their lesson that passive resistance simply doesn't work! So the police have to "upgrade" accordingly...
How about some self defence lessons for the youth? Or come there with the same ammunition as the police and use it. But then the police might have to "upgrade" to guns C'V... I mean, the people who're giving the orders will really stop at nothing... And publicizing these videos to tell the world "oh look at us poor jews getting beaten up, and unlawfully too..." will get nobody's sympathy, they all hate us, haven't we got it yet?

elchonon said...

The police brutality is a given.. you learn after a few years how to best handle it..

Ari Kinsberg said...

Mevaseretzion:

"Yes, I think it is the appropriate action. These barbarians have to be aired to the light of day . . . I hope Israel is in an uproar."

i am all for israel seeing the videos and the police being brought to justice, but on youtube it will be the entire world watching the videos.

a) the world will not be disgusted and and the government knows that it need not be emabarrased because this is exactly what the world wants to see, i.e., that the government is finally getting "serious" with the settlers

b) the settlers have a complaint against the government, but in the long run the videos make the state itself look bad. negative images are retained much longer (if not permanently) that the most positive ones. so any criticism of the current government that is aired internationally will come back to haunt any future right-wing government. i remember this happening to the left when they came to power after having vilified shamir's government in the international press. (this is one reason i don't think it is a good idea for diaspora jews to be critical of the israeli government in non-jewish venues, including demonstrations)

Ye'he Sh'mey Raba Mevorach said...

OK, so my daughter's friend was at Chomesh and she tripped and fell. No one pushed her. But cop saw her lying and the ground and told her, "Because of you I have been out here in the heat with no A/C etc etc for four days." and kicked her in the knee. She's OK, she can walk, but what gives kicking a 14 year old girl, down on the ground, because you are HOT? Sorry. We have to use every means to stop these people (and I use the term loosely). I am totally at a loss to find a zechut for any of them.

Dan Leubitz said...

if you watch the videos on yishuvnow.com you see police men looking around to see if a cameras watching.. i believe that if cameras weren't there.. we would have seen a larger show of violence.

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