Showing posts with label South Korea. Show all posts
Showing posts with label South Korea. Show all posts

Thursday, March 31, 2011

Even More on Korean Talmud Study

My good friend Lurker and I have been kicking around the Korean Talmud story since this past Sunday.

After searching around, he found that some evidence that the level of Talmud taught in South Korea actually does go at least a bit beyond mere aggada and Pirkei Avot-style ethical sayings. It seems that they also delve somewhat into the halakhic/legalistic topics in the Gemara.

For a good example of this, take a look here at "The Kids Times". This is from the website of The Kids Times, an English-language educational magazine for South Korean school children. It has a regular cartoon feature called "The Wisdom of the Talmud". This particular installment ("Negotiating the Rent") is very clearly based directly upon the Sugya at the beginning of Talmud Bavli Ketubot 103a.

It may not be the most complex sugya in the Talmud, but it does accurately portray the Talmudic discussion.



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Wednesday, March 30, 2011

Followup on the Korean Talmud Posting...

Follow-up from the Elder of Zion's investigation on the Korean Talmud Story...
The Korean Talmud webpages I have seen treat the Talmud the same way one treats Aesop's Fables, as a shorthand way to gain insights into morality and how to live as well as plain entertainment. The bulk of the Talmud - as a basis for an all-encompassing legal system - is not mentioned.

I cannot find any indication of any real Talmud study. I can't find any translations of Talmud into Korean, nor any indication of scholarly study of the Aramaic/Hebrew original by Korean students. And in no way are the Koreans taking advantage of the parts of the Talmud that have sharpened the minds of Jews for centuries - the intricate pilpul, the careful reading of texts for legal ramifications, the hours it takes to reconcile two seemingly opposing source-texts.

As far as I can tell, the Koreans think that the brief snippets of translation they have access to is the Talmud. They do not seem to understand what the Talmud really is, hence the confusion about so many Korean people think they own copies of the Talmud.

So while it is still a fascinating topic, YNet seems to have overblown it a bit.
See his whole analysis here.

Wouldn't be the first time that YNET has gotten a story wrong :-)


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Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Koreans Studying Talmud: Update from Korean Embassy in Israel

Received the following email today from the Embassy of the Republic of Korea to Israel (I will be amending the original post with the corrections below, except for the title...)

--Jameel

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you following the article you published on your blog about Talmud in Korea.

In the original article published on YNET, there were a few inaccuracies. Therefore, I refer you to the amended article which was published on Ynet yesterday: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4046985,00.html

In addition, I kindly wish to suggest some changes for the translated article on your website in order to prevent readers from getting the wrong impression:

- Title: “Talmud Study now in South Korea”

- 1st paragraph: “close to 50 million people live in South Korea, and almost everyone was thought the Talmud at home by their parents. “We tried to understand why the Jewish people are geniuses and we think that it is because they study Talmud”, said Korean Ambassador to Israel, Mr. Young Sam Ma.

- 2nd paragraph: “Yet, it turns out that… is actually very interesting to the South Koreans who encourage Talmud learning at home”.

- 4th paragraph: “So we to will become geniuses” – “We were very curious about the high academic achievements of the Jewish people”, explains Korean Ambassador to Israel, Mr. Young Sam Ma, who was hosted on the channel 1 TV programme “Culture Today”.

“How they – more than other peoples – are able to reach such impressive accomplishments? In our opinion, one of your secrets is that you study the Talmud”.

- 6th paragraph: “This understanding led us to teach our children as well at home. We believe that if we teach our children Talmud, they will also become geniuses. This is the rationality to make Talmud a part of home education in Korea”.

-7th paragraph: Ambassador Ma says the he himself studied the Talmud at a very young age.

“I, for example, have two editions of Talmud: one my wife bought and the other I got from my mother in law”.

I want to thank you in advance for your cooperation and for your initiative to bring this fascinating information to more people. It will be greatly appreciated if you submit the above corrections.

Many Thanks and Kol Tuv,
Einav Levy
Cultural&Press Affairs
Embassy of the Republic of Korea

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Sunday, March 27, 2011

Talmud Study in South Korea

The following fascinating article was translated by The Muqata from YNET.

Update: After receiving a personal thank you letter from the South Korean Embassy in Israel for this blog post, I have made a few minor updates to the article below at the Embassy's request, to better reflect Talmud (탈무드) Study in Korea YNET has reposted an updated version as well.

Close to 50 million people live in South Korea, and almost everyone is taught the Talmud at home by their parents. "We tried to understand why the Jews are geniuses, and we came to the conclusion that we think it is because they study Talmud," said the Korean ambassador to Israel, Mr. Young Sam Ma. And this is how "Rav Papa" became a more well known scholar in Korea than in Israel.

It is doubtful if the Amoraic scholars, Abbaye and Rava imagined their discussions of Jewish law in the Beit Midrash in Babylon would be taught hundreds of years later in East Asia. Yet it turns out that the laws of an "egg born on a holiday" ("ביצה שנולדה ביום טוב") is actually very interesting to the South Koreans who have required that Talmud study be part of their compulsory school curriculum. [Note from Jameel: The Korean Embassy in Israel probably received alot of complaints about Talmud being part of the compulsory school curriculum, and requested that the statement read: “Yet, it turns out that… is actually very interesting to the South Koreans who encourage Talmud learning at home”.]

Almost every home in South Korea now contains a Korean-translated Talmud. But unlike in Israel, the Korean mothers teach the Talmud to their children. In a country of close to 49 million people who believe in Buddhism and Christianity, there are more people who read the Talmud - or at least own their own copy at home - more than in the Jewish state. Much more.

"So we too will become geniuses"

"We were very curious about the high academic achievements of the Jewish people”, explains Korean Ambassador to Israel, Mr. Young Sam Ma, who was hosted on the channel 1 TV programme “Culture Today”."

"Jews have a high percentage of Nobel laureates in all fields: literature, science and economics. This is a remarkable achievement. We tried to understand what is the secret of the Jewish people? How they - more than other people - are able to reach those impressive accomplishments? Why are Jews so intelligent? In our opinion, one of your secrets is that you study the Talmud”.

"Jews study the Talmud at a young age, and it helps them, in our opinion, to develop mental capabilities. This understanding led us to teach our children as well. We believe that if we teach our children Talmud, they will also become geniuses. This is what stands behind the rationale of introducing Talmud Study to our school curriculum." Jameel adds: Again, The Muqata was requested to remove the school curriculum comment, and replace it with, "This is the rational to make Talmud a part of home education in Korea”

Ambassador Ma says the he himself studied the Talmud at a very young age: "It is considered very significant study," he emphasized. The result is that more Koreans have Talmud sets in their homes than Jews in Israel.

“I, for example, have two editions of Talmud: one my wife bought and the other I got from my mother in law”. [Jameel adds: Almost like the Jewish tradition of the parents of the bride buying a set of Talmud for their future son-in-law...]

Groupies of Jews

Koreans don't only like the Talmud because they see it as promoting genius, but because they found values that are ​​close to their hearts.

"In the Jewish tradition, family values ​​are important," explains the South Korean Ambassador.

"You see it even today, your practice of the Friday evening family meal. In my country we also focus on family values. The respect for adults, respect and appreciation for the elderly parallels the high esteem in my country for the elderly."

Another very significant issue is the respect for education. In the Jewish tradition parents have a duty to teach their children, and they devote to it lots of attention. For Korean parents, their children's education is a top priority. (YNET)


The photo above of a Talmud translated into Korean,
is courtesy of the South Korean Embassy to Israel.



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